Count It All Joy

Locations, there's probably scourgings and beatings and many things are happening here. And so he is writing to a group of people who have great trials and great difficulties. Now one of the hardest maybe things for the natural mind to understand is in this situation, how can you accept what verse number two says? Notice what James write, my brethren counted all joy when you fall into diverse temptations.

And that word temptations means trials or testings or provings. Counted all joy when you fall into diverse temptations. And that's a very difficult concept for many to embrace.

That we should count it, not just joy, but count it all joy when you fall into diverse testings. Many times we think of it this way, count it all joy when you have a baby, a newborn baby. And certainly Arlen and Mary and Ruben and Rachel are counting it all joy because they just had a new child.

Or count it all joy when you get married. I saw a lot of joy today, even in this difficult situation that Kyle and Tina were in. They were counting it all joy when you get married.

And there are many things that bring joy to our life. How about this one? Count it all joy when the IRS postpones your tax filing to July 15th. You know, that's something to count it all joy.

And so there's many things in life that we understand joy comes from. But it's hard for us to fathom how biblically we are to count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations. But I want to share with you tonight how we can count it all joy.

And I believe this virus thing is a trial. It's a test that God is sending not only to the nation, but also to his own people. And so I believe it's God's heart for us as brethren to count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations and temptations.

Here's trials, it's testings, it's provings. And I've come to realize over the years that the Christian life is a series of trials and a series of tests. And if you follow in the Bible, God's people, you'll find that God leads people into a series of trials and tests.

One of the best examples of this is the children of Israel. When they came out of Egypt, God delivered them by his mighty hand, the Passover, the blood on the door, which represents the Lord Jesus shedding of his blood. And we come to Christ and we get saved.

But God brought the nation of Israel out of Egypt, and then he brought them into the wilderness for a series of tests or trials. And we'll go back and mention that here in just a little bit. But you'll find that the children of Israel did not respond to those trials with joy.

As a matter of fact, you'll find that they responded to them with murmuring and complaining. And in many cases, they accused the Lord of bringing them out into the wilderness to kill them. And God was not very well pleased with this generation and did not allow them to come into the promised land.

And so he brought them out of Egypt, brought them through a series of trials and tests. And this Old Testament account is a picture for us in the New Testament. God saves us by the blood of Jesus, and he brings us in our life through a series of trials and a series of tests.

And you'll see this also in the life of Jesus and his disciples. Remember the day when the Lord said to his disciples, get in the boat, we're going to go to the other side. Well, they didn't do anything wrong.

And the Lord knew exactly what was coming. And he brought them right into a trial, into a temptation. And what he was trying to do, he was trying to try their faith.

And that's what we're going to get into here this evening, the importance of your faith and what God is trying to do with your faith. Let's keep reading in verse number three, because James is going to mention it here. Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

Here is the object of every test that God brings us into, and that is our faith, or as the Scripture says, your faith. Now, here's something I want to leave with you tonight, because this is very important and it ministers to me. But I trust it will minister to you also.

The most important thing to God and should be to us are these words in verse number three, your faith, your faith. You know, when God looks upon me, I need to understand that he is most concerned about this one thing, my faith. Consider this, my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is so important to God that it is my faith that separates me from either going to heaven to bliss forever or hell to torment forever.

And the one thing that separates heaven and hell forever and ever are those simple words, my faith, or may I say it, your faith. Your faith is the most important thing to God. To God, your faith is the pearl of great price.

It's a treasure of great value. And it ought to be to each one of us. And remember, Hebrews chapter 11 says, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

And so when God looks upon you, he's not looking at what your possessions are or what kind of a job you have. Yes, he knows those things. But he wants to know what kind of faith you have.

Do you have faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ? But also, do you have a maturing faith in him? You know, the Israelites had faith enough to put the blood on the door to get them out of Egypt. And that's a picture of salvation. But then God brought them through a series of tests in the wilderness because he had greater things for them.

Now, I understand your faith in Jesus by the blood of Jesus can get you out of Egypt. But what about that faith that God is trying to mature, that faith that is going to bring God glory in your life and through your life? And so the children of Israel, they had faith in the Passover blood to get them out of Egypt, but they needed more faith and more faith was desired from the Lord as he brought them through the wilderness. And here's something that's very important.

Why did God want their faith to increase? Why did God want their faith to be perfected? I'd like you to turn, if you could, to Numbers 13. If you have a Bible tonight, Numbers chapter 13. Well, let's go over to Numbers chapter 14.

Numbers chapter 14. I want to start reading in verse number six, Numbers chapter 14, verse six, I'm going to jump through this story here. This is after having come through the wilderness, the Lord is desiring to bring them into the promised land.

And in Numbers 14, verse six, it says, and Joshua, the son of Nun and Caleb, the son of Jethunah, which were of them that searched the land. This is the story of the twelve spies that had gone in to search the promised land. They rent their clothes and they speak unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, the land which we pass through to search it, it is an exceeding good land.

If the Lord delight in us, then he will bring us into this land and give it to us, a land which floweth with milk and honey. Only rebel not ye against the Lord, neither fear ye the people of the land, for they are bred for us, for their defense is departed from them. And the Lord is with us, fear them not.

But all the congregation bade stone them with stones, and the glory of the Lord appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel. And the Lord said unto Moses, how long will this people provoke me? And how long will it be ere they believe me for all the signs which I have showed among them? I will smite them with a pestilence and disinherit them and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they. And so God has brought them out.

He has brought them out of Egypt and he is trying to increase their faith. He is trying to try their faith. And each time he tries their faith, instead of counting it all joy, they are murmuring and they are complaining.

Oh, this virus. Oh, you know, this my car broke down. Oh, you know, we are having these problems and those problems and and the murmuring and the complaining that came out of the children of Israel.

So the Lord says, how long will these people believe me or have faith and trust me for the work that I want to do? Look down to verse 19. I'm just going to skip through this story. Pardon I beseech thee.

Now, this is Moses pleading the iniquity of this people, according unto the greatness of thy mercy. And as thou has forgiven this people from Egypt even until now. And the Lord said, I have pardoned according to thy word, but as truly as I live, notice this as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Now, there was something that God wanted to do with these people. Bringing them out of Egypt was a glorious thing for the Lord. I mean, he brought glory to himself when he destroyed Pharaoh and his armies and brought out the Israelites with a mighty hand.

But he also wanted to continue to glorify himself. And as he brought them through the wilderness to show himself strong in their life and in the congregation and to bring himself glory. Verse 22, because all these men, which has seen my glory and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness and have tempted me now these 10 times and have not hearkened to my voice.

Surely, they shall not see the land, which I swear to their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoke me see it. But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him that followed me fully, him will I bring into the land wherein he went and his seed shall possess it. And so God is bringing the nation out of Egypt and he appreciates their faith when they put the blood on the doorposts and they sacrifice the Passover lamb and he brings them out of Egypt.

But that's not the end of faith. He is beginning to try their faith in the wilderness and he expects them in their trial of their faith to trust him, to increase their faith in him. And to not murmur and to not complain and to not say, God, you brought us out here to kill us, to think God has some evil purpose in mind.

This virus is there's no evil purpose in this virus. God allows these things for good reason. He allows these things for our faith to be increased.

And it is all for this reason, verse number 21, but as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord. They just picture how God here is trying to bring glory to his name. And yes, coming out of Egypt, there was great glory to the Lord.

I'm sure all the world heard about how God destroyed the armies of the Egyptians in the Red Sea. But that wasn't all that God wanted to do to glorify himself. And he was going to take this people, this nation, and he was going to bring glory.

But God gets no glory when his people murmur and complain and doubt and accuse him of bringing them out in the wilderness to kill them. He gets no glory in that. Well, we talked a few weeks ago about Jesus waiting two days and the sufferings of Lazarus and Mary and Martha and Jesus saying this sickness is not a death, but for the glory of God.

Again, Mary, Martha, you're going to have to be patient. You're going to have to wait and you're going to have to go through some difficulty. And Lazarus, you're going to have to go down through the valley of the shadow of death.

And I want to glorify myself through your life. And so God is trying to get glory here. And he's trying to get glory from our life.

That's important to remember. God is trying to bring glory to himself through each one of us. And so whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.

And so when you think about this virus situation that we're going through around the world, this has no doubt come for the glory of God. Always remember that, that this virus has come for the glory of God. God wants to glorify himself throughout the earth.

And when he brings us into trials and temptations, the purpose of those trials and temptations are to bring glory to himself. And so your faith is an object of God's attention. Your faith in him, I mean, look inside yourself tonight.

How much faith do you have in him? Does your faith need to increase? Does your faith need to grow? God is interested in that thing in you called faith. It's an invisible thing. It's a spiritual thing.

But he is interested in that faith. He is not interested in your possessions. He is not interested in your bank account.

He is not always interested in your comfort, not in your job. And some of you may have lost your job. He's not specifically interested in even your health.

He is interested in your faith. And that faith is a pearl of great price. And that's why Paul could at the end of his life, he could say these words.

I have fought a good fight. I have finished my course. I have kept what? The faith.

I didn't keep my possessions. Oftentimes I didn't keep my health. Sometimes I was thrown in prison.

My bank account was zero. But one thing I kept and that one thing was the most important thing. I have kept the faith.

And now in order for you and I to understand how to count it all joy. When you fall into diverse testings, you need to understand this. That the greatest thing about you from God's perspective is your faith in Him.

Your faith in Him. That's what gets God's attention. Your faith down inside of that heart of yours is really the most valuable thing to the Lord.

That very faith that saves your soul is the most valuable thing to the Lord. Now, if you value faith above every earthly natural temporal thing, and I'll say this, even above life itself, then you can understand what James is saying here in verse two and three. My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations, knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

So that trying or that purifying of your faith ought to be the most important thing to you in life. And so when God brings things into your life that purifies and tries and builds that faith, you ought to be blessed. You ought to be happy.

And you ought to count it all joy that your faith is being tested. God is trying that faith. God is trying that faith to purify it and to mature it and to bring it forth as gold.

Now, you're in James there, but just another book over in 1 Peter chapter one. Peter has something to say about this also. He says here in verse number six of chapter one, wherein you greatly rejoice.

So now for a season, if need be, you be in heaviness through manifold temptations, that the trial of your faith, there's our phrase there, your faith being much more precious than of gold that perishes. There's God's idea of what your faith is as far as how important it is and how valuable it is to him. It's much more precious than of gold.

Though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you know what one of the greatest goals God has for each one of our lives is that that faith that is in you could be tried in such a way through your life that that faith would be found a chunk of pure gold at the day of judgment when the Lord Jesus Christ returns. Don't you want, I mean, just think about this, don't you want that you look out into the day of the return of Christ and the end, don't you want a faith that is pure gold, a faith that has been tried in the fire and all the impurities, doubts and unbeliefs and fears been removed and that faith is a pure faith, pure as gold.

I'll tell you what, if that faith is that at the day of Jesus Christ, you're going to be rewarded greatly and you talk about joy. There's going to be great joy for that faith that is pure, that faith that is genuine, that faith that is real. And so why can't we count it all joy when we fall into diverse temptations? Well, here's why, because we understand that God is trying our faith and God is preparing our faith for a future reward.

And so when God brings a trial, we ought to rejoice in it because this trial is going to make my faith pure, make my faith stronger. The worst thing you want to do in these situations is begin to murmur and complain and to fear. You know, the Israelites did that, they murmured, complained, they feared.

We need to look inside of our own selves and our heart and say, Lord, my faith, that's what you're after, my faith, you want to purify my faith. I'm going to let this trial purify my faith. You know, if we don't have trials and testings, then we have no opportunity for the purifying of our faith.

If you don't put gold in a fire, there's going to be no purifying. You see, you have a chunk of gold here, it's got a bunch of material in it that's not good. If you never put that chunk of gold into a fire and heat it up and burn off the impurities, you're never going to have a pure chunk of gold.

And so if that gold could rejoice, that gold would say, put me into the fire because I want my gold to be purified. So someday the master is going to look at that gold and he's going to say there's no impurities in it and he's going to reward us for that. You know, when I was camping a while back there over at Mohican, there at the wilderness campground, they have a blacksmith there.

And that blacksmith, I watched him and he would take a piece of metal and he would put that metal in the fire and he would heat that metal up until it was red hot and it was just red. And then he would take it out of the fire and put it up on his metal, whatever that thing is called, anvil. Thank you, Naomi.

That metal anvil and he would pound on that while it was red hot and he would mold it and he would move it around where he wanted to. And then after it cooled and he'd stick that thing back in the fire and he would heat it up until it's red, bring it back out and he would mold it a little bit more until it cooled and it was back into the fire again. And that's a beautiful picture of how God tries our faith.

He puts us in a trial and he takes that trial and he molds us. Now, praise God that life is not a continual trial. You know, that blacksmith, he brings the iron out of the fire for a while.

But trials are God's ways of molding us. Molding us and our faith into what he wants it to be. Picture your life as a chunk of gold with much impurity.

That faith in you is God bound. That faith in you has unbelief, it's lacking. And every trial is God's way of purifying that faith.

So let's look at it this way. This virus and all that we're going through here is a trial for the faith of each one of us. How are we going to respond to this trial? Well, in James chapter 1, it says, to count it, my brethren, all joy when you fall into diverse temptations.

And so I wrote down here in my notes, the purifying of our faith should be one of our greatest desires for all eternity. I mean, if I truly want to have a pure faith that honors God in the day of judgment, then I ought to embrace the heat. I ought to embrace the trial.

Trials ought to be an object of my desire. And I know that doesn't sound good for the natural mind, but the mind of faith, the mind who looks at things from God's perspective can understand that. Thank you, Lord, for another trial.

And I'm going to count it all joy because I know that this trial, you're working on that faith of mine, that I would learn to trust you more, that I would learn to extend my belief and not doubt and not fear. So when you do life from God's perspective, it's about your faith, your faith. All the testings that come, come to purify your faith.

And there's a reason why God wants your faith to be purified. Peter says that when the day of Jesus Christ comes, that that faith might be found as pure gold. And it'll be a good thing for you, reward wise, if your faith is found pure gold.

Well, there's a couple of reasons I can see here in the Bible that trials ought to produce joy. And one of them is for the rewards that God has for us in heaven. Great is your reward in heaven.

Another reason why it ought to bring joy to us, these trials, is what it's producing in us. And that's what James is going to go on to say here. Let's keep reading here in verse number two.

My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations, knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. Now, here's something that's very important with regards to faith. And that is patience.

Now, let me define patience for you. Patience is the ability to abide under tribulation and trial without murmuring or complaining. It is endurance in affliction, looking to God and waiting for deliverance.

And this is the opposite of what the Israelites did coming out of Egypt. They got impatient. Some of them wanted to turn back to go into Egypt.

Some of them accused God of bringing them into the wilderness to kill them. Patience. God is trying to produce patience.

You know, I think of those disciples in the boat, you know, and Jesus is asleep. That's a picture of patience. Enduring trials in great rest and calm.

And those disciples are frantic. They're running around accusing the Lord of taking them out into that boat, that they're going to perish, and they have very little patience in their affliction. Well, let's look here.

James is going to talk more about patience. In James chapter 5, if you'd like to turn over there. James chapter 5. I'm going to jump down here to verse number 7 of James chapter 5. Be patient, therefore, brethren.

There's our word, patient. Unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth.

You know, that's like the farmer waiting months for the fruit to be brought forth and has long patience for it until he receives the early and the latter rain. Be you also patient. Establish your hearts or settle your hearts for the coming of the Lord draws nigh.

Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the judge standeth before the door. Take, my brethren, the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord for an example of suffering, affliction, and of patience.

You go back and read about Ezekiel and Jeremiah and Daniel and all these people who had great trial and affliction, how they patiently waited and endured their affliction without murmuring and complaining. How God brought them out in a mighty and a wonderful way. And here's another example of a person that you might remember was a patient individual.

Verse 11. Behold, we count them happy, which endure. You have heard of the patience of Job and have seen the end of the Lord, that the Lord is very pitiful and of a tender mercy.

Now, one thing that God is doing in each one of us desires to do is to bring us to the place where our faith produces a deep and abiding patience under affliction. And you see this throughout the Bible. Trouble comes.

Many people react, respond, get fearful, complain, murmur. Immediately, they jump. And yet, what the Lord is waiting and trying to teach us is this.

When trouble comes, He wants us to be calm and patient and endure difficulty and suffering. You remember when Job was going through all his difficulty? I can't imagine going through those things. I had one or two boils and that was too much for me.

But I can imagine my whole body being covered with boils and me scraping the boils with pottery and the pain that I am in. And then my wife comes to me and says, you know, Job, curse God and die. And my friends accuse me of being a sinner because I'm suffering these things.

And Job just patiently and quietly enduring it. And in his heart, you know what was happening in Job's heart? His heart was, God, I'm trusting you, Lord. I'm just going to patiently wait and endure this affliction.

And you know, Job has given us a classic example of someone who patiently waited on the Lord. And if you read the story of Job, you'll find the end is a wonderful end. Job was blessed far more than he ever was.

And that's a picture of eternity. If you will be patient to the coming of the Lord, God will reward you in the end far more than he has even rewarded you here. Patience.

Hebrews 12, 1 says, let us run with patience. The race that is set before us, this race requires patience. Many people are quick to run hither and yon, but this race is a long distance race.

And it's a race that you need to learn patience. And when God brings a trial, and this virus is one of them, one of the things he's trying to get is a patient faith in you. Not questioning, God, why do you do this? God, why does this have to happen? God, why do I lose my job? Why do all these people have to suffer? But a patient trusting in him and waiting.

And God wants to glorify himself. He needs people like that to bring him glory and honor in the midst of these trials. Well, verse number three says, knowing this, and you need to know this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

This is why trials come. You know, and if we would embrace trials instead of trying to run from them, if we would say, Lord, you're sending this trial, let's embrace it. You know, you got to stay home for three weeks.

I want to be out and about. I'm missing my activities. The trying of your faith worketh patience.

And here's something that's even more beautiful. Verse four, but let patience have her perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, wanting or lacking nothing. Patience is the grace.

Think about this. Patience is the grace that gives birth to spiritual maturity. Listen, if you're mature spiritually in any way today, one of the characteristics that you've learned is when God brings trials into your life, you respond with patience.

Patient, enduring, under suffering. And if you've matured in your spiritual life, you've gone down those roads already a number of times. Lord, this is very difficult, but you know what, Lord? I'm not going to complain or murmur.

I'm not going to accuse you of wanting to kill me. I'm just going to take what's coming. Maybe someone is cursing you.

Maybe someone is speaking evil of you. Maybe your goods are being taken. Maybe you're being swindled, but you're going to quietly and patiently endure affliction.

Patience is the grace that gives birth to spiritual maturity. Have you ever noticed in nature how patience is essential to maturity? You ever notice that God didn't make the five-year-old child the one with wisdom? Even Jesus at age 12 sat and learned. Have you ever wondered why women don't give birth in five days, but it takes nine months? You know, maturity comes out of patient, enduring affliction.

Trees don't bear fruit until after many years of patient waiting. I read the story of a man who was sitting alongside of his window one day and he saw a cocoon, you know, outside of his window. And he saw this butterfly inside the cocoon trying to break its way out and taking a long time.

And little by little, it was working its way out. And this man would watch and time would go on. And the butterfly was slowly trying to get itself out.

And the man felt sorry for the butterfly. And the man went out and he opened the cocoon up for the butterfly and come to find out that when he did that, he paralyzed the butterfly to such an extent that the butterfly could not even fly anymore. Because God had designed that that butterfly would struggle over a period of time.

And that struggle would give the butterfly the strength to emerge from that cocoon and to fly. But to try to get that butterfly out of the cocoon without the struggle left it weakened and paralyzed. So that's a picture of nature.

God has purpose for trial. And so trial ought to be something that we embrace. And I know that's a hard thing, but it's a step of faith.

And so God allows trials and testings to produce patience. And this grace called patience opens up the spiritual life to the opportunity to be complete and perfect and lacking nothing. If anybody in our congregation is complete and perfect and lacking nothing, they've gotten there through patient affliction in trials.

Now we may, and I don't know what's going to happen here, but I know our government's printing money. And they're just handing out money. They're going to probably send you all checks.

And there's going to be money thrown around. Listen, we were 20 some trillion dollars in debt already. And we're probably going to go another three or four trillion in debt.

And all the things that are happening all over the world, I just don't see we're going to recover from these things. And there's going to be probably problems. And we may go through trials and testings in the weeks and months ahead.

But here's the question for all of us. Can we count it all joy when we fall into these diverse testings, knowing that this is an opportunity for growth in patience and the perfecting of my faith? Because that's the eyes of faith. That's what God is trying to do.

Can we count it all joy, brethren, when you fall into diverse temptations? Now, you're not here. There's a few people here. Let's see.

I see about five or six people here. But if I had an illustration to go along with this, I'll try to do it so you can understand my illustration, those who are listening. But if I had a present here, a wrapped present, a nice big box on the pulpit.

And on the outside of that box is a label. It's called trial. Now, some of you probably wouldn't want me to give you that box, or you wouldn't want God to give you that box, because you know that I don't want trials.

I don't like trials. Trials are not comfortable. I like it when it's easy.

And I like it when it's prosperous. And I like things to go just fine. And so if you want to give me a gift, God, that gift that you have called trials is not something that is appealing.

But if you open up that box, and I'm going to open up that box in my imagination, and I reach down inside that box, there's another box inside that box. And that box, as I lift it out of the trial box, is titled patience. Now, I think most of us say, well, I want some patience.

Now, that's something that's a spiritual fruit. I think I would like that patience part. OK, so you're getting to like this gift more.

Yeah, we like patience. Lord, I would like some patience. Well, let's take that patience gift, and let's open that patience gift up.

And I'll take off the wrapping paper and open up the lid and reach down inside that patience gift, and there's another gift inside that. And I lift that one up. And you see on the outside of that gift is spiritual maturity, or as James says, perfect.

Oh, that's what I want. Yeah, I want that spiritual maturity. I want to be perfect.

As James says here in chapter one, verse four, I want to be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. I want that gift. Well, here's the problem.

God just doesn't hand out the perfect stuff, you know? He doesn't hand out the patience. But what he wants to do is say this. You take the trial.

I'm giving you a gift called the trial. You embrace and thank me for the trial, this gift. And then inside the trial, you'll find the patience.

And inside the patience, you'll find the perfectness and the maturity. In your spiritual and Christian life. Now let's make application here.

God has handed us a virus. And maybe to some of you, it's a trial. And it's a gift.

Count it all joy. Now you can count it all joy because you know there's other gifts on the inside. There are two other gifts on the inside of this virus.

And all that we're going through right now, there's two other gifts that you want. On the inside. And you can count it all joy because if you'll embrace the trial and thank God for it and trust him, you'll find that inside that gift called the virus is a gift called patience.

And inside that gift, patience, you'll find another gift. It's called perfectness and completeness. Wanting and lacking nothing.

That's that pure gold. That God desires for you. And so it goes from a trial to patience to perfectness.

And so if you look ahead by faith to the perfect perfectness, you'll be able to count it all joy when you fall into diverse testings. Knowing that the trying of your faith works patience and let patience have her perfect work that you may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. And so I want to encourage all of you today.

I don't know what you're going through. I haven't talked to some of you, but whatever is happening in your life, I want you to respond to this trial. And I'm trying to respond to this trial with thankfulness in everything.

Give thanks. Because the things that God sends us are for our spiritual maturity to produce qualities that will be rewarded throughout eternity. So in some ways, maybe in the next months, weeks, months ahead, maybe we'll go through the fire or the furnace.

And we need to be patient and wait and to wait upon God. Don't complain, no murmuring, trust him. And so in doing so, our maturity can blossom.

So brothers and sisters, count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations. Why don't we close here tonight? Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for listening.

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