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Erlo Stegen

Erlo Hartwig Stegen (1935 - 2023). South African missionary and revivalist of German descent, born on Mbalane farm near Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, to Hermannsburg missionary descendants. Raised Lutheran, he left school after grade 10 to farm but felt called to ministry in 1952, evangelizing rural Zulus under apartheid. After 12 years of preaching with few lasting conversions, he experienced a transformative revival in 1966 at Maphumulo, marked by repentance and reported miracles. In 1970, he founded KwaSizabantu Mission (“place where people are helped”) in Kranskop, which grew into a self-sustaining hub with farms, a water bottling plant, and schools, serving thousands. Stegen authored Revival Among the Zulus and preached globally, establishing churches in Europe by 1980. Married with four daughters, he mentored Zulu leaders and collaborated with theologian Kurt Koch. His bold preaching drew 3 million visitors to KwaSizabantu over decades.
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In this sermon, the speaker emphasizes the importance of not conforming to the ways of the world. He warns against dressing and behaving like everyone else, as it can lead to being influenced by Satan. The speaker also mentions the Dube family and the gratitude they express for the good things they receive. He encourages the audience to discern between what is right and wrong and to reflect on their own actions. The main theme of the upcoming Youth Conference is introduced, which is knowing Jesus in different aspects, such as a king and a servant. The speaker concludes by urging the audience to allow Jesus to serve and work in their lives.
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Shall we pray? Thank you Lord for the opportunity that you grant us that we may meet like this. It is our prayer that you would be amongst us and speak to us. Work Lord, in a wonderful way, far above what we can ask or pray for. Amen. The youth conference will begin tomorrow, Lord willing, many are still on their way, and I'd like to, so to say, give the introduction or lay the foundation for the message that the Lord has laid in my heart, that which I'm going to speak about in these coming services. The theme of the conference is, do you know this Jesus? There are many people who claim to know Jesus, and even a person, as they walk along, and they stumble over a stone, and they say, oh my Jesus, but they don't know whom they're speaking about. But, oh Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus. And some Christians, who think they are very spiritual, say Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus, but they don't understand who Jesus is. But, oh Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus, but they don't understand who Jesus is. But, oh Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus, but they don't understand who Jesus is. There's a witch doctor who went around selling all his witchcraft, mooty, and snake skins, and the fat of crocodiles, etc. And if you would go to him for help, you would say, in whose name do you want me to heal you? And if you would see that you're a Christian, you look like a Christian, you would say, do you want me to heal you in the name of Jesus? And there are some Christians that then say, well, I don't want to have anything to do with the occult. So, I don't want to be healed in any other name except that of Jesus. But that person doesn't realize that as they ask to be healed in that name, they ask that witch doctor that it's just a demon with the name Jesus. If we read the New Testament, we read there are many Jesuses, but who is your Jesus? Because you might say, I serve Jesus, and in the meantime, it's an idol. I'm a Hindu. I have many idols. The Hindus have many idols. And one Hindu met up with a Christian and says, have you got a picture, an image of Jesus for me, please? I would like to put him there amongst all my idols. And maybe they've got 666, and now they'll have 667. Who is your Jesus? So we need to examine who the Jesus is whom we serve. Then Paul Petersburg was a lady who would heal people, and many went to her. They flocked to her, even Germans. And if she would heal people, and she would heal even whites, she would burp like a witch. If people are blind though, they don't see, because anybody who would have any sense and any discernment should have been able to see when they would go to her and hear how she would burp aloud like a witch, that she is indeed a witch. There are many different types of demons and evil spirits, and where a man dies and he had that demon or evil spirit in him, where it then goes out and it enters into a woman, and vice versa. And this woman became ill and to death. And then she said, my Jesus is coming to fetch me today. And she said, I can even hear his footsteps as he's drawing nigh outside the passage, outside the door, coming to the door. And she rejoiced that her Jesus was coming to fetch her. And when he appeared at the door, and she expected Jesus to now come in. And as he came in, she said, oh no, not you. She looked the other way. It was Satan. And she cried out and they heard her, she said, no, I didn't expect you to come. Now, which Jesus are you serving? They really get very emotional and they feel that they're in the Spirit. And they even dance and sway their bodies to the music and the beating of the drums, etc. But when they go out of the service, they're like a flat tire. Where the air has gone out, there Jesus is in the dancing. With others, their Jesus is the speaking in tongues. That's what they feel. If you speak in tongues, then you've got it. Then you are complete. But that speaking in tongues, that's not Jesus. With some people, Jesus is in what they wear. Like many churches where they've got a certain uniform which they wear, and that's their Jesus. But when they go out of the service, they're like a flat tire. Where the air has gone out, there Jesus is in the dancing. With others, their Jesus is the speaking in tongues. Like many churches where they've got a certain uniform which they wear, and that's their Jesus. But when they go out of the service, they're like a flat tire. Where the air has gone out, there Jesus is in what they wear. Like many churches where they've got a certain uniform which they wear, and that's their Jesus. But when they go out of the service, they're like a flat tire. Now, one person came out of the service. They had a nice jacket on. This person, and then met up with that person's enemy. And this person started speaking to them, and she got so upset that she took off her jacket and said, I'm now taking off my jacket, and now I can fight you. And they bit and scratched each other. You see, her Jesus was her jacket that she then took off. She then went outside, and stood up to him and said, You're a young man. You're so young, and you should be able to snuff out the enemies. But did you know this Jesus? Which Jesus are you serving? Now remember, before the revival began in 1966, one day we had the funeral of Mark Gasser and I said I could tell you and relate to you so much I don't even relate the half half of it to you and I want to say something now concerning this point I was there at Mapumula preaching the gospel in those days and it was very difficult the people were very hard the young people were worldly minded the men were just concerned and interested in their booze and alcohol and so only the old woman came and a few children came to the service and I was very troubled about that and one Sunday I spoke to one of my brothers said you take the service today I'd like to spend this day in fasting and pray I see that Christianity has become the white man's tradition as Christians are brought up with a Christian tradition just like the Muslims with the Muslim tradition Hindus with a tradition and those that grow up with worshiping ancestral spirits with that tradition and the Christians have got a lot of literature many books that explain to you how you've got to pray how you've got to fast I've got to sing etc and I also read about fasting I thought well maybe this I should try out and I should do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to do this I've got to And there were very well-known Christians there and they had invited me to come and take a service there. And I arrived there in the evening, early evening, and they showed me a beautiful room where I was going to stay. And then it was about six o'clock, so I thought, well, it's almost supper time, half past six, seven, eight o'clock, and still no supper. So I called one of the children of the family, I said, now when do you have supper here in the evening? I didn't want to openly say, well, I was hungry and I wanted to eat. So I just asked the child, now what time do you normally eat here? So the child said, no, today is Wednesday and we fast today. I said, oh my, I arrived on a terrible day. And so they would always fast on a Wednesday. Now, they asked the disciples of the Lord Jesus, they asked the Lord Jesus, why don't your disciples fast? So he said, how can they fast when the bridegroom is with them? They can fast if he's not there. Now, those who regularly fast on a Wednesday, I don't know if it's because their Jesus leaves them or whether he's dead or what. And many enter into sin because of fasting, because on a certain day, they're not allowed to eat. It's their law. So then they secretly go into the pantry to go and get some food there to eat on the sly. So as I was troubled about this, that the people wouldn't turn to the Lord, they didn't get converted. So I found out now some people say you shouldn't only pray, you should also fast. So I said, let me try this out. Let me also fast now and not only pray. Maybe that will touch the people. Maybe God will use that. Maybe they'll then get converted. So on that day, I was going to fast and pray. I was very serious about it. Didn't smile. Didn't laugh. I had a long face because now I wanted to pray seriously that my prayer would reach heaven. And then I thought of the word where the Lord said, where two or three are gathered in my name, there I'll be in their midst. So I thought, I don't want to pray alone. And I considered which family I could go to, where I could go to some believers to pray together with them. And then it came to me about Mrs. Dube. She and her family, they had just got converted. So I thought, let me go to the family and spend the day there and pray. They were a God-fearing family that really loved the Lord. So I went and my little VW Beetle was quite old already. And I had to stop quite a distance away from the home and then walk along a footpath till I got there. When I got there, they were overjoyed to see me. They said, well, what brought you to us? And they welcomed me with open arms. So I said, today I'm here to seek God's face. I want to fast and pray. I don't want to have any food. So they said, please come inside. And Mrs. Dube invited me in. She said, have a seat here. I'll bring you some tea and then I'll prepare a meal for you. I said, no, no, don't spoil this day now. I have come to fast and pray. I don't want to have any food. I just want to be with God. I want to fast. And I'll prepare a meal for you. And even the children of the family, they were so happy to see me. I said, well, I don't have any time for chatting now, for conversation or anything like that. I'm very serious about this. I want to fast and pray Mrs. To be wise and pendula what I call sing a thunderous God wrongs us. Oh glittery tear giggling you say M for one local sing a thunderous And mrs. Doobie said well, it's very good We can pray but I'm first going to make you some tea and then some food after that We can pray and she's ready. I'm not Oh, no, no In my heart I said, oh my I did the wrong thing to To this family Got a mantra Bangla Tilugu shangat. Hi. Yeah, boo And is a longer positive sharp Una No, no What's up? Mrs. Do what? Yeah I'm Good Jesus Be a Bess I had the intention to come in fast and pray. Now everything was spoiled. I said, no, I don't want food. I just want to fast and pray. And she said, now you're telling me something different. Because in the Bible, I read where the Lord says, I was hungry and you didn't give me to eat. I was thirsty and you didn't give me to drink. I don't want the Lord to say that to me on the day of judgment. So she said, have a seat. And they brought me some tea. I said, oh, I've spoiled it by coming here. I should have stayed there in Mapumula and prayed alone. Now you know how the Zulus are, how the blacks are. They're very generous and hospitable. They know how to host you. And it's not like the whites where you visit and then they just give you a cup of tea and they say, well, now that's already like a full meal. I don't know about the modern day blacks, because you've all become Europeans now. If you had a cup of tea, then you can go. Maybe a biscuit as well. Finished. Now with the Zulus, it's not like that. That was a very good custom amongst the Zulus. You could never visit a home and leave there without having been given a meal. So I said, you know how the whites are. They're always in a hurry. Now the whites are always in a hurry, always rushing off to someplace. If they tell you to do something, they say, do it quickly. They don't want to wait one minute. But the blacks, they've got a lot of time. And then I think it's because of the sunshine. It's so hot and then they get tired. And so I sat and I sat and I looked at my watch. Then it was 10 o'clock, half past 10, 11, half past 11. I was still waiting. I thought, oh my, now I'm wasting my time. I wanted to dedicate this day to fasting and prayer. And now I'm waiting. They're busy preparing food. And you know, the Dube family was very poor. And you know how it is with a poor family. They don't have everything. So they first need to go to the neighbor and go and borrow maybe a nice plate there or some cutlery and this and that, because they want to prepare something special for you. I wasted this day. And well, Mrs. Dube worked in the shop and so she had some meat there and chicken. They still prepared the chicken and everything. In the meantime, I waited. I said, oh, I wasted my day by coming here. So they laid the table, put on a tablecloth, laid the table very nicely, brought all the food. And I don't know whether they had three or four different types of meat, which they had prepared and placed there on the table. And then potatoes and this and that and the next thing. And that table eventually was full of food and rice and all of that. And then I said, now you can sit on and eat. You can sit at the table and they prayed that the Lord would bless the food. And they brought me a very large plate. And then I thought, well, you know, I just take a little bit of everything, because there are so many different types of food here. So I just took a little bit from each. And if I was able to take from all the dishes, my plate was already laden with food. I thought, I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full. So I just took a little bit of everything. And then I said, now you can sit on and eat. You can sit at the table and they prayed that the Lord would bless the food. And then I thought, well, you know, I just take a little bit of everything, because my plate was already laden with food. And so she asked, And so she asked, She said, Are you satisfied? Have you had enough to eat? Is there nothing more that you need? And she, in Zulu, there's a word that asks the question, Are you satisfied? And it's the same word as saying, I believe, or the root word. And you see, that's what it means. If you believe, it means you are satisfied. You don't need anything of the world. But many say, I believe, and yet their hunger after the prostitutes and that which the world has got to offer. But many say, I believe, and yet their hunger after the prostitutes and that which the world has got to offer. Jesus said to that Samaritan woman, anyone who drinks of this water will thirst again. But whoever drinks of the water that I give him will never thirst for all eternity. You see, that water which the Lord Jesus gives satisfies. When you believe in Him, you are satisfied. You don't need anything else. You don't need pornography. You don't need these newspapers that speak about worldly things. You are satisfied with the Lord Jesus. And when the lady of the home, mother of the home came in, she said, Are you satisfied? I said, Yes, thank you. So then they took everything off the table, the dishes, the tablecloth, everything. They cleared the table. And after that she came back and she said, Now we can pray. In my heart I said, How can I still pray on such a full stomach? Like some people say they can't sing on a full stomach. I said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. Let them pray. So we knelt down and indeed she then prayed. She said, I can't pray with this full stomach. I said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. Let them pray. So then she prayed. She said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. I said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. Let them pray. So then she said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. I said, Well, I can't pray with this full stomach. Let them pray. I don't know whether she had been praying for two or three minutes and God came down and experienced God shaking the place. And I could only hold my head and I could say, Oh God, I do not know you. Jesus, I don't know you. I only know the Jesus according to the white man's custom. But I don't know you as you really are. And for days after that, weeks after that, I could only say, Lord, are you like that? Where the Lord revealed himself to me and knew and I got to know him. You see, it's good to have to do with other nations and other races because their customs are not like your customs. Like the blacks, they're not like the white man's custom. And there's much that I learned from them from that. And Paul says to the weak, I become weak. Some people need milk. You can't give them a cob of maize to eat. That food, that solid food will harm them. So you've got to come down to the level of that person in order to win them. It will even kill the child. And even Jesus said, there is so much more that I've got to tell you. But I can't, you're not ready for that. You're not able to bear it. Now, learn from that. You that have got a mind to think. And if not, well then continue in your foolishness. Now I could continue speaking for a long time about Mrs. Dube who passed away recently. But I haven't yet reached the point where I wanted to reach. Do you know this Jesus? There were so many people together of different languages. They were all Jews, but they came from all over the world and spoke different languages. And they marveled. They said, what is this that we hear of the marvels of God in our own language, in our own tongue? Now the Holy Spirit, the Comforter is called Parakletos in the Greek language. What does that mean? It means that He will come alongside of you. He will come down to your size. Shoulder on to your shoulder. Not from the height, but on your level. And that is what the Holy Spirit is like. When He speaks to a witch or a witch doctor, He will speak a language that that person can understand. Or to a drunkard, the language that that person will understand. He comes down to the level of that person. If He speaks a different language, then the person will say, well who is this speaking to me? Now you need to do the same. If you speak to somebody, come to their level. Otherwise, you'll just bring us into logheads with people. There is a certain white man who was an alcoholic or drunkard. He worked at the gate of a certain company as people would come in. He had his little guard room or guard house there. And he would register the people as they would come in or go out. And then he took his alcohol with him and there in that room, he drank on the job. And so he said that, was it not? And he got utterly drunk, like a lord. And as he sat there, he was going to and fro like that. There was a candlestick that was alight with a flame and a fly going around. When is it going around that flame? And that insect or that fly was flying around, sometimes almost going through the flame and getting scorched. And eventually he started speaking to this fly. He said, you fly, if you're going to get too close, you're going to burn. And then it would be as if it's just skimming the flame again, just going on the side of it. And he said, I'm telling you now, you are going to get burnt. And then right there, the Holy Spirit spoke to his heart through that. And he said, you are like that fly. You've already scorched your wings. Like that fly had scorched its wings and it couldn't fly anymore. And he got totally converted. He got saved. Now, the drug addicts, they've got their language. The prostitutes have got their language. All these different groups, they've got their language which they understand and which you don't grasp where they speak with their eyes or certain signs. There have been drug addicts that have come here, and within a day, they meet up with other drug addicts. But maybe they've been here for a week, and I didn't realize that they were drug addicts, but they find each other in a day. And like Satanists as well, they also understand certain things. They've got their language. They maybe see a fly flying, and they see some significance in that fly. That fly is bringing a certain type of a curse or disease or something. But you that aren't exposed to that, you just see a fly that comes and sits on you, and you kill it. Now, if you want to win them, speak the language that they understand without getting involved in their sin and becoming like them in their sin, but speak a language that they can understand. They can understand. The wise men from the east, they saw the star, and immediately that meant to them that a king has been born unto us. They thought in Jerusalem, and they went astray. He was born in Bethlehem. But they understood the significance of that star. You maybe look at the star, and you don't see anything more than a star. Now, at the beginning of the New Testament, there are four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. If you want to know this Jesus, then they explain, they reveal who this Jesus is as brightly as the sun. I was once in Germany in one of the great cathedrals there, and they took me there especially to show me what it looked like. And I went there with a doctor who was the chairman of the medical association of all the doctors there in Europe. Doctors association. And so he showed me one of the statues there of Jesus, and he was shown there, and if you come from the one side, you could see it's Jesus. And he said, well, let's come now from the other side. And if you come from the other side of the statue, from a different angle, you see something different in his face. And then from a different angle, he looked even different. It was the same person, but there were different ways of looking at him. Do you know this Jesus? Maybe you just know one side of him, but you don't know him in his fullness. Now we find the different gospels illustrated or spoken about there in the book of Revelation chapter four. In that order, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Close to the throne of God there in heaven. With the 24 elders surrounding the throne. Now Matthew wrote to a certain audience about Jesus. His audience was the Jews. And showing Jesus as the King. Describing Jesus to them as the Lion of Judah, the offspring of David. And he said, And there's a Kai, the father of Manasseh, Manasseh, the father of Ammon, the father of Josiah, of Jeconah. Now, what does all this mean? But a Jew understands that. And then he starts right there from Abraham and then he goes right down to the son of David and Jesus. But I think the Zulus should have some understanding for this because they also relate the history of their king. And with these praise names they say he's the son of so-and-so is the son of so-and-so and relate the whole history and background of that person. And there was one king here in Africa was given a New Testament and he started reading that so-and-so was the father of so-and-so was the father of so-and-so. And he said well I thought that our family has got such an illustrious history and background and I was such a great king but I'm nothing in comparison to Jesus. Now Matthew wrote the Bible, the Gospel for all of us but primarily for the Jews. And just to cut a long story short, Matthew spoke the language of the Pharisees, the scribes, the Sadducees, those who knew the law because they would always say well this happened because this prophet prophesied that, this was the fulfillment of that prophecy. That was the language that they knew so he spoke their language. The Holy Spirit, Parakletos, had taught them how to win others, how to come down to that person's level to speak a language that they can understand. Mark revealed Jesus and described Him as the servant, the slave. His audience was the Romans. Now the Romans didn't have anything to do with prophecies, they didn't care about prophets or prophecies, just like the people today, they're just like businessmen interested in making money. The Romans ruled the whole known world of that time and Mark was inspired by the Holy Spirit to speak a language that they understood. The Romans The Romans cared nothing for prophecies and mere words, they wanted to see it in action, they wanted to know what did this Jesus actually do, what did He come to do? Matthew described Him as the Lion of Judah, the Lion being the King of all other animals. But Mark described Him as an ox, an animal that carries a burden, that surfs. No other gospel tells us as much about the miracles that Jesus performed as the gospel of Mark. Because He brought this message to the Romans, He wanted to know what did this leader come to do? Luke was a Greek, he was a doctor. He knew the Greeks and he spoke their language. And writing the gospel to them. Now the Greeks were very much interested in music and art and things like that. And you find in the gospel according to Luke how He speaks their language, where He speaks about the multitudes that sang, the heavenly hosts that sang. Now when Matthew gives the genealogy of Jesus, he starts from Abraham because he was addressing Jews. Luke goes right back to Adam, the first man. And he describes Jesus as a human being, human like you and I as we are human. Where Jesus was in agony in prayer where the angels came and served Him. The Greeks understood that. Matthew describing Jesus as the Lion of Judah, Mark describing Him as a servant who carried our burden and our guilt.
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Erlo Hartwig Stegen (1935 - 2023). South African missionary and revivalist of German descent, born on Mbalane farm near Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, to Hermannsburg missionary descendants. Raised Lutheran, he left school after grade 10 to farm but felt called to ministry in 1952, evangelizing rural Zulus under apartheid. After 12 years of preaching with few lasting conversions, he experienced a transformative revival in 1966 at Maphumulo, marked by repentance and reported miracles. In 1970, he founded KwaSizabantu Mission (“place where people are helped”) in Kranskop, which grew into a self-sustaining hub with farms, a water bottling plant, and schools, serving thousands. Stegen authored Revival Among the Zulus and preached globally, establishing churches in Europe by 1980. Married with four daughters, he mentored Zulu leaders and collaborated with theologian Kurt Koch. His bold preaching drew 3 million visitors to KwaSizabantu over decades.