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Brother Robert ...

i havent the slightest idea of what "storgos" means, but i do know that the preaching of repentance to a sinner is like strewing seed, as i'm not interested in where the seed falls, that to me is the job of the Holy Ghost ... i may have strewn the seed, somebody else may water it, but if that seed has fallen in one predestined and called, fertile ground, then God will make it grow, with the bottom line being that all stages are of the Holy Ghost anyhow, for seed slingers don't strew the Gospel on ones own accord and/or power ... i guess it's not important to me to know if a heathen is either here or there with God, that's God's realm to me, but what's important to me is to let any heathen know that God has provided them a means of choice to determine their eternity in heaven or hell, and this i do out of love ... Love for Christ because by His blood i'm saved, and am commisioned to tell others ... And love for my fellow man because an eternity is a long, long time to burn ...

Anyhow i came across this, in line with brother Ron's (In the light) analogy of the velvet and diamond which was an epiphany for me ... i find this an even greater analogy, and will incorporate it into my "repentence" witnessing ... God bless you bruh! ...


Does God Love Everyone?
(Speaking on Reconciliation)
By Nick Bibile
http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Nick/Does_God_Loves_Everyone.htm


Then how can someone tell an unbeliever that God loves you?

If God loves the unbeliever, then there is no need of a mediator, as there is no enmity, there should be peace between the unbeliever and God, there should not be any need of reconciliation. But in the gospel, we see enmity, mediator, reconciliation and peace. This is the true gospel. Telling the unbeliever “God loves you” is a false gospel. The false gospel will bring false conversions.

Telling an unbeliever “God loves you.” Will not bring true conviction to his heart on sin. Only a person who is truly convicted of sin will realize his need for Christ. Nowhere in the New Testament, we see the apostles telling the unbelievers “God loves you.” Instead, we see just the opposite.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Why were these men convicted of their sins? Because Peter did not say, “Jesus loves you.” Instead he said, “Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain.” (Ac 2:23)

First the unbeliever need to be convinced of his need of Christ, and need to be convinced of his horrible sin against God, his guilt, the power of sin and the wrath of God that is going to come upon all who are disobedient. Remember when the Israelites were in the wilderness the fiery serpents bit them and many died. Then the Lord told Moses to make a brazen serpent and set it on a pole, anyone who was bitten by a serpent will live when he looks at the brazen serpent on the pole. (Numbers 21:6-9) Jesus said, “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.” (Joh 3:14) My friend, no one will look to Christ unless first the serpent bites them, they will realize the danger of death as the serpent has bitten them. Telling the unbeliever God loves you will not make the unbeliever see the danger. But telling the unbeliever, that the wrath of God is going to come upon all who are disobedient to God. (Col 3:6) In this, he will see the danger, the danger that he is in, as he is heading towards the wrath of God. Then he will realize he needs to be saved, (salvation) from the wrath of God. When you say, “God loves you.” The unbeliever will not see the danger or the wrath of God that is going to come upon him, instead the unbeliever will be comforted. This is not from God as it is not biblical it is from Satan. Today

The English great theologian John Owen (1616-1683) said, “Before people will come to Christ, they need to know that they are lost, condemned sinners, standing accursed in God’s sight.” The Americas greatest theologian Jonathan Edwards said, “In his word we have his threatening against sin denounced by himself. He tells us, that if we go on in sin, he will destroy us, and cast us out of his sight, and pour out his wrath upon us, and hold us eternally under misery.”

The gospel is called the good news; the good news is we are enemies of God, living in sin, God was angry with the sinner and God’s wrath was upon us, yet because of his grace and mercy He sent His Son to those whom he elected. God reconciled the believer and loves the believer.

Hi Rahman
storgE: Greek for Parental affection; the instinctive affection which animals have for their young.


Hi Robert
(Rom 1:31 KJV+) Without understanding,801 covenant breakers,802 without natural affection,794 implacable,786 unmerciful:415

(2Ti 3:3 KJV+) Without natural affection,794 trucebreakers,786 false accusers,1228 incontinent,193 fierce,434 despisers of those that are good,865

In both of the above the 'without natural affection' is [i][b]astorgos[/i][/b]
Thayer Definition:
1) without natural affection, unsociable (Rom_1:31 marg.), inhuman (2Ti_3:3 8 RSV), unloving (2Ti_3:3 4 NKJV)
In otherwords 'storgos-less'. I'll see what I can do with my LXX. OK had a look and can't find either storgos or astorgos in the LXX.

I picked this up on the web
Storgos has an unselfish side (unlike eros), which is best understood from the definitions of the only way storgos is used in the Greek New Testament—in its ugly, negative side. Astorgos means “without natural affection”4 (cf. Romans 1:31 & Second Timothy 3:3); the words “heartless” and “inhuman” describe it (2:542)[5]. Pa
rents love their children by caring for their well-being, nurturing them for the future; so when a parent leaves her living newborn in a dumpster, that’s pretty good evidence of someone lacking that natural concern for one’s own kin. Why is this? Because storgos is the “love of kindred, especially of parents for children and children for parents”[10]. {Interestingly, etymology associates the stork (you know, the bird in the cartoon that brings a mother her newborn in a small blanket) with the word storgos; stork—storgos.} So back to the baby dumping mom, she is astorgos which “designates ‘the unfeeling and hard, whose heart is warmed by no noble sentiment; it is applied to parents, but also to animals who do not love [care for] their young’” (110)[10]. See, storgos “is ‘a natural movement of the soul ... something almost like gravitation or some other force of blind nature.’ It is the love which the animal has for its offspring. It is a love of obligation, the term being used here not in its moral sense, but in a natural sense. It is a necessity under the circumstances” (110)[10]. In our day and time, we have either met or heard of many people who lack this important kind of love, probably because they were raised without it.

Storgos has a selfish side (like eros) as indicated in this description: “a comfortable old-shoe relationship comprised of natural affection and a sense of belonging” (60)[11]. In other words, children love parents because of the feeling of security they have in their parents’ care. Storgos is a warm comfortableness, a satisfaction in being together; we see it between a man and his dog or with a man and his favorite chair. So it could be said, “By eros we are conceived and by storge we are reared.” Storgos is obviously the primary love we refer to when we say that we love our children.

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ps
Rom 12:10 KJV) [b]Be [u]kindly affectioned[/u] one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;[/b]

kindly-affectioned is [i][b]philostorgos[/i][/b]

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