then visit the

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now jusy so there's no misunderstanding, this man, john crowder, is not 'emergent' or 'emerging', by his own words;

'While I have long acknowledged the existence of postmodernity as a reality of the age, this very intellectual elitism on which you have commented is one of the chief reasons I have been hesitant to dive headlong into the trendy “fad” aspect of the emergent discussion. I should add at the onset that I would not consider myself “emergent” anymore than I would consider myself “charismatic.” But both camps try to pin me down into the other. In the same way, you could say I am neither catholic nor protestant (I am not protesting anything; I am pursuing Someone). Like most emergents, I reject labels. Without the restraints of such labels, we are more apt to truthfully address the sacred cows in every respective camp. My orthodoxy may not be as generous as McLaren’s, but I am not ignorant of the discussion and appreciate the influx of new ideas. This openness is a God-given dispensation, but it must be guarded in the context of true humility. Whether they like to admit it or not, many emergents are entrenched in a religious package of trying to look cool and trying to impress a select audience with their perceived edginess of theological progression. The melee of anti-charisma these past few weeks is an indicator of a deeper problem. It surfaces clearly, for example, when they do not have a grid for someone who comes along with an outlandish orthopraxy.'



but john sure does like to get 'whacked up' on Jesus.

Lord have mercy on us

pass

I must be living somewhat of a sheltered life. It gets a little harder to believe each time I see something like this. Having been around since the Jesus Movement days of the early 70s which had definite areas of immaturity I'm not at all convinvced that when teachers and leaders began to call us to maturity that this is what it was supposed to be so far down the road as time is now.

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David Winter

Ok this guy talks about what he is and what he is not, who is he trying to convince, and who cares?? By their fruits ye shall know them, end of!

or as crowder would say, 'shaba daba ding dong'.....which i cant translate.......which might mean, 'i'm the perfect prophet for these days'.

terrible.

Quote taken from the Article by John Crowder Stigmata and Blood Sign Miracle.

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Colin Murray

We as Christians need to recognize that not everything supernatural is necessarily spiritual. As Christians we must diligently guard our spirits against deception or else John wouldn't have written the following...

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

In Christ,

Ron

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Ron Halverson

If I want to get drunk (which I dont anymore) I can just get a mason jar of moonshine from any number of cousins I have...

I think I'll stay sober minded... like the Holy Spirit says in God's Word. There is nothing sober minded about this so-called "drunk in the Spirit" movement, nor is there anything scriptural about it.

Krispy

Krisp,
I dont really know how to say this, or ask this, because its been bothering me here for a spell, thems cuzins that ya got.

Now as you know, the manufacture of strong drink IN itself is not sin. oh yes, drunkeness is sinful, but a bit of sipping likker against the cold night air is debateble...that aint whats bothering me.

you ask them whether they're running their shine thru pure copper tubing into copper pots, or they're running it thru PVC pipes into old steel bowls. Copper is good, PVC is pure and outright SIN!!!! and you tell 'em Florus says if they're using an old car aluminum radiator to make their shine, they're fixing to split hell wide open, its that bad.

I've seen many a fine man go blind drinking shine thats been made by any other means than copper, and its just wrong, its wrong, and you and I both know that. I just had to get that off my chest.

by the by, you know how all them WOF guys drive you crazy?, thats how this Crowder fellow makes me, what a terrrible terrible witness.

Workman