If it is true, that we are at the doorstep to the times of Jacob's trouble, that the Great Tribulation will soon be upon us, then we must sound the alarm to the others to get ready...because the enemy is at the gate, and the trumpet is about to sound!

The book of Revelation does not give us what day to day life will be like for the Christian during the time known as the Great Tribulation, only that is will be a slaughter of humanity.

I have written the following events as a possible scenario of what I believe will shortly come to pass. I also believe it will be far, far worse then what I have written down; there will be supernatural judgments of God occurring during this time as well.

My intention in writing this, is not to add to the Book of Revelation, but only to present a possible scenario of what life may look like for Christians on the ground, who will have to endure it, ...and to cause as many as who will receive it, to be sober-minded and to take their Christian walks seriously. I believe the time is short.

I feel the Lord gathering up His elect in this hour, as a Shepherd divides the sheep from the goats. The day of His coming is fast approaching, and I believe that I have been given understanding into events that are to shortly come to pass.

One may ask, what is our calling as Christians and how do we refer to ourselves?

…with deepest humility and contriteness of spirit, I want to say how grateful we are that the Lord has saved us and redeemed us from the world; He has taken away our sins and washed them so they are remembered no more. Our names are written down in heaven...our light is seen in the world like a city on a hill that cannot be hid. Lord Jesus, help us…help me that I will stand out in the crowd as one of yours. Take the world out of me, and let be holy as you are holy. Amen



The Great Tribulation


I believe the Great Tribulation will soon be upon us, and that the times before us are going to progressively get worse and worse.


This is why we should be ready: Revelation 3:10 says: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


Unfortunately, most Christians will not be ready - according to the Revelation 7:9-15, most Christians are not going to survive the time known as the Great Tribulation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%207:9-15;&version=50;

The following is only a possible scenario of what may come.

2009 – 2012 may bring many changes. Sometime during this time frame the covenant with many as spoken about in the book of Daniel may come to pass. Perhaps it will only be a short time now, since Americans had elected a new President, that the agenda of the New World Order begins to take shape globally.


A possible scenario...


Concerning the present landscape in the Middle East and in looking forward into the future, the current conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza may spread: This war may spread beyond Gaza's borders into Syria (in which Damascus would surely fall), Lebanon and even possibly Iran. Consider that the world is presently in an Economic Meltdown, a Great Depression not seen since time began. Now throw on top of this a World Wide oil shortage of unprecedented proportions on top of it...and well...


....if this happens, this conflict could go global into a full blown World War (WW3)...especially if the U.S. gets hit with another terrorist attack like a nuclear weapon.

How the conflict in the Middle East may end: ...Peace talks with Israel, Hamas and Israel's neighbors reach a détente, and peace accord will be signed in Jerusalem, dividing the land of Israel between the Jews and Palestinians.


A certain man, possibly of Middle Eastern descent, rises as peacemaker and mediator between Jew and Muslim who Jews and Muslims will listen to. Israel gains control of the Temple mount in a peace for land deal that allows the establishment of the State of Palestine...and reconstruction of the Temple begins. (A covenant with many is established) Israel has peace for 3-1/2 years while the rest of the world remains in total chaos.


Bill H. R. 645 is passed unanimously, and becomes law, which directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations…commonly known as FEMA camps.


The global economy had finally and totally collapsed, and with it the entire world is plunged into a darkness deeper than night, and into the steely grips of a great depression not seen since the beginning of time.

With a world wide shortage of crude oil, there is little to no fuel for trucks, cars, jets, ocean liners, or any kind of transport...which means not much food delivered for grocery stores or any other goods and services for that matter.


Civil disorder, rioting, violence, looting, hoarding and panic erupts in every city, leading to the declaration of martial law in many countries. Militaries are called in to quell civil unrest, and riot police in full battle gear engage civilians in every city to disperse the hungry, homeless and rioting masses.


In America, the President goes on primetime television to address the nation. With both hands raised in the air, he urges calm in the midst of chaos. With a stern face, he urges submission to the authorities and compliance to the “Declaration of Martial Law”...saying: “do not leave your homes”, and “do not to give into our common enemies” and, that “this crisis will soon pass”, and promising food and humanitarian aid, little or none arrives. As time passes, more civilian-police clashes occur, and even more are detained.


It gets worse…


Civil disorder, hoarding, rioting, violence and looting begins in earnest, in every city…as people are hungry and suffering. Many have lost their homes and possessions due to the mortgage/credit crisis. Massive hyperinflation kicks in, and Congress calls an emergency session to deal with and to mitigate the fallout of a terrible and great depression. Congress bans hoarding under threat of prosecution; anyone caught would be immediately incarcerated and sent to a FEMA detention center where they will be processed and possibly detained.


Gangs of Civil rioters roam the streets, looting businesses, and looting peoples homes for food. These continue to break out all over…as gangs of rioters’ loot, rape, murder and pillage.


The riots get severe and violent. Police and military forces use tear-gas, rubber bullets and concussion grenades to disperse the angry crowds. The military brings in microwave crowd dispersion units, tanks and armored personnel carriers, and begin to patrol city streets to enforce the Declaration of Martial Law.


More protests erupt against the police and the military because of the brutality in which they enforce Martial Law. This leads to limited armed combat between armed civilians and the military. Police immediately arrest all the dissenters, who are then taken away to unknown locations. High schools and civic centers are flooded with the dead and wounded.

Many people are caught out on the streets after curfew, and are forced into FEMA concentration camps, as the military takes over complete control of all civil authority, with the full authorization of congress and of the President.


People at home are ordered to stay inside for an indefinite periods of time during armed conflicts, many of them missing loved ones, who may have been detained on the streets while looking for food, or taken into camps to some discreet unknown location.


Strict curfews are put into affect, as streets quickly turn into ghost towns. The reality of another American civil war has now been realized. America is at War, not with another nation, but with its own people…especially against those who oppose the President and his policies.


Some Christian groups consolidate, who become very vocal, and form a third national party to oppose the President, and offer an alternative to the Republicans and Democrats. This movement begins to take root nationally, but is soon defeated by the powers that be. This movement will be viewed/branded as civil insurrection in ALL mass media…because of all the chaos that will exist at the time.


Blame and persecution begins against Christians. Media presents the Christian groups as the ones who put GW Bush into power, who will be blamed for leaving current administration with all the mess to clean up. Christians will soon be blamed for the Global Economic Crisis. Christians were deliberately set up…in order to remove them as any future political threat to the globalists, and their New World Order agenda. Laws will be passed in order to ensure Christian groups will no longer be able to influence any politics or election. Persecution begins in earnest.


It gets worse…


Dissent grows and opposition to the President is voiced, but especially among Christians who oppose the Presidents anti-Christian policies and the New World Order that he and other World Leaders represents.


…But it is not the Christians who are violent, who riot and loot and commit heinous crimes. Nevertheless, Christians will be blamed for everything that has gone wrong in the world, for all the civil unrest, and for all the economic chaos, and for all the woes that have come on the world.

It will become a very difficult and hard time for a Christian during this time…brother shall betray brother; children shall betray their parents, and the love of many will grow cold.


Christians are now called the dissenters, and persecution begins against them in earnest in every city. Christian churches are burned, and Christians will be killed. Christians are forced to leave the cities, or go underground and meet in secret places. FEMA pastors tell Christians to go to the FEMA camps for their own protection...the ultimate betrayal for which they will surely give an account. These are but just the beginning of sorrows that are to come...


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A nuclear terrorist strike hits from out of nowhere, leaving hundreds of thousands dead or dying in the streets. Retaliation begins in earnest against those believed to be the perpetrators.


In no time at all, battles are being fought over the skies of America. The sky rains down missiles, bombs, and unknown weapons of mass destruction. More land is destroyed, and even more people die. Yet the end is not yet…nuclear war has begun, and several American cities are struck with nuclear terror.

Cities are destroyed as are rural lands, and radiation clouds fill the skies. The air becomes poisonous to breathe and the water too toxic to drink. America finally collapses and merges with Canada and Mexico in a common union… World War III ends quickly, but billions the world over have perished in the blink of an eye


…yet the end is not yet.


From the ashes of WW3, arises a new world political and economic order; the purpose of the World War was only to consolidate power globally, in the hands of a very select few, into a one world economic global totalitarian system; all compliments of the global elite.

They, the international bankers and intellectual elite of the world, want to consolidate their assets under one roof so to speak. They will give their power to one man, who will lead the world, and they give all of their resources to him…the same one who made "the covenant with many" in Israel. He is the Antichrist.


They begin their reign of terror by getting rid of the dissenters first…the Christians. This ruler will cause all people to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead, and those who will not receive the mark, will be summarily put to death. This is how he finds the Christians, he uses the bible against them, because he knows they will never take the mark...he is evil incarnate.

Those Christians that have survived the nuclear war, who have seen rivers of blood, who have endured incessant pain and terror, are now faced with state sponsored persecution, roundups, and the death camps.


Police vans drive through streets, and police speak though loud speakers, ordering people out of their homes" THIS IS THE POLICE, YOU MUST VACATE YOUR PREMISIS, THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, YOU MUST COMPLY, DISOBEDIANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED" They begin marking the population with the mark of the beast, Just like marking cattle for ownership.


Mass house raids are made into people’s homes; kicking doors down, grabbing hold of the Christian dissenters…they check each house one by one in every city to check who has, and who does not have the mark. - Christian men, women and children are hurried out of their homes, regardless of their condition. Entire families are rounded up, and told that they are to be re-housed in temporary cities...FEMA camps.


In hundreds, perhaps thousands of concentration camps all over America and the world, countless millions of Christians sit in crowded, cold places, shaken with terror, cold, hungry, thirsty, stripped of their freedom and dignity…but the Lord is with them in their hour of trial, and the strength of the Holy Spirit sustains them and fills them with a supernatural calm and comfort, and with the comfort of the love of God.


These saints overcome the Antichrist by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they love not their lives unto death. The Nazi holocausts return globally, as Christians are summarily put to their deaths, just as the Jews were during WWII.


During the time of unprecedented persecution and murder of Christians, and in the midst of all the global chaos, there will be a an unprecedented revival and a move of the Spirit of God, ...such as has not been seen to this day...So powerful will be this move of God - for God shall pour out of His Holy Spirit to strengthen and purify the Bride of the Lamb, that she may be holy and pure - without spot or blemish, her gown will be white....many will turn to the Lord during this time in this global revival.


The Prophet Daniel said...but such as do wickedly against the covenant shall the Antichrist pervert by flatteries; but the people that know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that are wise among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity and by spoil, many days.

Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help; but many shall join themselves unto them with flatteries. And some of them that are wise shall fall, to refine them, and to purify, and to make them white, even to the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.


And the king [Antichrist] shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods; and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all. ...And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High.


Small groups of Christians survive the holocaust against them and still roam around the streets; some have even fled into the wilderness into encampments and help each other. Helicopter raids are made to locate these free Christians, in order to route them out and to exterminate them. Police search every household over again, and again, until they have routed out all the dissenters (Christians).

Any form of money, gold, or silver will all be worthless and useless to the Christian, because you cannot buy or sell anything unless you have the mark of the beast. And those who have the mark of the beast will turn the Christians dissenters in to the authorities when they try to buy or sell.


Many Christians still in their homes, hiding in their basements or hidden under floorboards, are rounded up with violence. They are treated inhumanly, teased, taunted and humiliated. Some are even executed on the spot right in the streets in broad daylight before all.


it gets worse still...


Many homeless Christians roam around in the wilderness, with nothing on them, no food and no water to drink; they have nowhere to go. They are starved, thirsty and cold, and many just cannot cope anymore with the trauma, and just give themselves up. The weather does not help their condition either; the winters gets colder and colder as time progresses.


Strange weather phenomenon begins to show up, and the weather continues to deteriorate globally - rains fall flooding the lands, then heavy snows fall, blizzards pound, the earth quakes and volcanoes erupt. So terrible will be the Tribulation against the Saints, but the Lord Jesus stands by them, as they make ready and wash their garments in the blood of the lamb, and are made as white as snow...for the Bride makes herself ready.


And because of Starvation, dehydration, no shelter, climatic changes, earthquakes, floods, blizzards, hurricanes, extreme cold, extreme heat, separation anxiety (loved ones missing), demoralization, nuclear war and persecution, the morale of the Christian survivors falls even lower and lower; more give themselves up...and those who receive not the mark of the beast are summarily put to death. Some Christians die in the painful colds of the death camps awaiting their execution, either from starvation or exposure to the elements.

Blessed and holy are those who have the victory over the beast, over his image, and over his mark and over the number of his name. Blessed and holy are those who overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, who love not their lives unto death.


Those Christians that survive and remain to the end, until the Lord comes, have learned to work together, to love each other, to help each other in time of need, and have learned to trust in God who preserves them, and keeps them from the hour of trial…these are full of faith, good works and full the joy and comfort of the Holy Spirit.

And then …as fast as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even unto the west, the Lord Jesus Himself descends from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


During the time, when the wrath of God is being poured out on those who received the mark of the beast, comes the vengeance of God...because these are who murdered His saints, and who brought destruction to the Earth.

God gives power to His two witnesses who will be clothed in sackcloth. These two prophets curse the Earth with all manner of plagues, these have power to shut heaven so that it rains not during their testimony, and they have power to turn water into blood, and to smite the Earth with all manner of plagues as often as they wish. Then comes the bowls of the wrath of God on the world. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth at this time.


Not all people during the Great Tribulation took the mark of the beast. By the grace of God, a remnant of man remains on earth to the end when the Lord sets up His Millennial Kingdom.


The time known as the Great Tribulation is close at hand, it is even at the gate...

This time is coming into focus now: World economies are beginning to collapse; there has been strange weather phenomenon showing up globally; massive record breaking hurricanes; there has been a substantial and devastating increase in earthquakes around the world; Tsunamis killing hundreds of thousands, wars and rumors of wars, nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom...the beginning of the fall of MBG(Mystery Babylon the Great.)

MBG is not a city...

I do not consider the "physical cities" like NY or London as being MBG...no more then I would consider a Church building as being the elect Lady. Physical cities of brick and mortar will fall, which is not MBG. Mystery Babylon the Great the mother of harlots is people.

There are two women (two bodies), one is the Lamb's Bride, and the other is the Harlot.

One is the body of elect body of believers, the other is the body of lost humanity. One is by faith, the other is of unbelief.

Sarah and Hagar are types of Bride and Harlot - one was of faith and belief, the other was of doubt and unbelief. From one would come our Lord and savior Jesus the Messiah, from the other would come the son of perdition, who exalts himself above God - the Antichrist. The Harlot shall not prevail over the Bride.

Rev 17:18 says -
And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.

Rev 16:19 says - Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.


Mystert Babylon the Great is divided into 3 parts that God will destroy - "to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

1. Material Wealth - destroyed by economic collapse, famine and destruction of all infrastructure.

2. People - Destruction of the bodies and souls of men (Wars and Calamities)

3. Rule and Dominion - satan takes over of dominion of the Earth from MBG, just before the Lord returns to take it from him - click here to see: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2018:2;&version=50;


All of Revelation 18, describes Revelation 16:19 in detail.

What is coming the destruction of Mystery Babylon the Great, which is the rule and dominion of man on Earth, and will never rise again. God will take back the dominion He gave man, and The Lord Jesus will come and set up His millennial kingdom in Israel. Therefore, God Himself will take up dominion on Earth, and rule with a rod of iron from Jerusalem in a restored Israel. Man will never again self rule, or have dominion on earth again forever and ever.

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The time is short now, and the day is far spent, for the great and terrible day of the Lord does come...the day in which He shall judge the nations in righteousness. The day in which the sinner and the ungodly are to be removed forever.

And he shall sit on the throne of his glory, and He judge the nations in righteousness; for the sum of all judgment is given to that Son of Man.
And He shall cause the sinners to be removed and to be destroyed from off the face of the earth. With an adamantine chain of God's fixed decree shall they be bound, and in their assemblage-place of destruction shall they be imprisoned, and all their works shall vanish from the face of the earth, for in righteousness does He judge and make war. And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible; for that Son of Man has appeared in power and great glory, and has seated himself on the throne of his eternal glory. And He reigns forever, and His kingdom is forever and ever. Amen

And He shall take to Him His great power, and the heavens and the earth shall be shaken, and He shall rule the nations with a rod of iron. All evil shall pass away from before his face, for who shall abide the great and terrible day of the Lord? And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth, and be strong before the Father of Spirits, and the sum of all judgment is given to that Son of Man. Blessed and holy are those whose sins are forgiven, who have washed their clothes in the blood of the Lamb; blessed and holy are those whose names have been written down in heaven; for when He shall appear, they likewise, shall appear with Him in honor and in great glory.

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Earendel,

Are you the one that started the divorce thread? :-P Now here you go again!! (I'm just kidding with you. I KNOW it wasn't you!)

I see that you have only 12 posts to your name; but you should know that it's a toss up between this topic and KJ Only as to which can get as ugly as the divorce thread!! :-P

I will comment more later, I'm running out the door. But from what I quickly read, you believe that Christians are going to be here? If so, we are finally in agreement!

God bless you brother!

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what a wonderful time that will be to LIVE and Preach the Gospel!!!

How precious each Bible will be!!!

How powerful each hidden prayer meeting will be!!

It will be a TIME OF TRUE GLORY!!

Will it be nightmarishly hard times? Yes! But it is those times when people will suddenly realize what it means to be TOTALLY DEPENDENT on God.

It'll be Glory.

are you willing to die with me?

neil

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Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor shall be.

When is "then" in this Word spoken by the Word made flesh?

And upon whom would this come?

Our answer to both these questions from Him Who spoke from Sinai!

Luke 21:20-22 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Matthew 23:35-36 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

The saints of old testify to these truths as well.

Here are some of such testimony from our brothers in the faith of Christ:

"The forbearance of God with his covenant people, who had crucified their own Saviour, reached it last its limit. As many as could be saved in the usual way, were rescued. The mass of the people had obstinately set themselves against all improvement. James the Just, the man who was fitted, if any could be, to reconcile the Jews to the Christian religion, had been stoned by his hardened brethren, for whom he daily interceded in the temple; and with him the Christian community in Jerusalem had lost its importance for that city. The hour of the "great tribulation" and fearful judgment drew near. The prophecy of the Lord approached its literal fulfilment: Jerusalem was razed to the ground, the temple burned, and not one stone was left upon another."(Philip Schaff, 1877)

"For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Read the record written by Josephus of the destruction of Jerusalem, and see how truly our Lord’s words were fulfilled. The Jews impiously said, concerning the death of Christ, "His blood be on us, and on our children." Never did any other people invoke such an awlful curse upon themselves, and upon no other nation did such a judgment ever fall. We read of Jews crucified till there was no more wood for making crosses; of thousands of the people slaying one another in their fierce faction fights within the city; of so many of them being sold for slaves that they became a drug in the market, and all but valueless; and of the fearful carnage when the Romans at length entered the doomed capital; and the blood-curdling story exactly bears out the Savior’s statement uttered nearly forty years before the terrible events occurred."
(C.H. Spurgeon, 1888)

"It is fitting to add to these accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events. His words are as follows: "Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day; For there shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

"These things took place in this manner in the second year of the reign of Vespasian, in accordance with the prophecies of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who by divine power saw them beforehand as if they were already present, and wept and mourned according to the statement of the holy evangelists, who give the very words which be uttered, when, as if addressing Jerusalem herself, he said: "If thou hadst known, even thou, in this day, the things which belong unto thy peace! But now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a rampart about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee and thy children even with the ground."(Eusebius,AD 325)

"Note how this speech is directed against the Jews; for when these things were done by Vespasian, the Apostles could neither observe the Sabbath nor fly, seeing most of them were already dead, and those who survived were living in distant countries. And why they should pray for this He adds a reason, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor shall be.

I ask the Jews, whence came upon them so grievous wrath from heaven more woeful than all that had come upon them before? Plainly it was because of the desperate crime and the denial of the Cross. But He shews that they deserved still heavier punishment than they received, when He adds, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved;" that is, If the siege by the Romans should be continued longer, all the Jews would perish; for by "all flesh," He means all the Jewish nation, those within and those without; for the Romans were at war not only with those in Judaea, but with the whole race wherever dispersed.

Then, to show again the greatness of the calamity, He saith, "Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be." Seest thou that His discourse is addressed to the Jews, and that He is speaking of the ills that should overtake them? For the apostles surely were not to keep the Sabbath day, neither to be there, when Vespasian did those things. For indeed the most part of them were already departed this life. And if any was left, he was dwelling then in other parts of the world.

And let not any man suppose this to have been spoken hyperbolically; but let him study the writings of Josephus, and learn the truth of the sayings. For neither can any one say, that the man being a believer, in order to establish Christ's words, hath exaggerated the tragical history. For indeed He was both a Jew, and a determined Jew, and very zealous, and among them that lived after Christ's coming. I should therefore be glad to inquire of the Jews. Whence came there thus upon them wrath from God intolerable, and more sore than all that had befallen aforetime, not in Judaea only, but in any part of the world? Is it not quite clear, that it was for the deed of the cross, and for this rejection? All would say it, and with all and before all the truth of the facts itself."
(Chrysostom, AD 347)

"Immediately after the great tribulation which is to accompany the catastrophe, or in those very days, the Son of man is to be seen coming in the clouds with great power and glory. His coming is described according to the Hebrew apocalyptic style; and then it is solemnly affirmed with an emphatic Amen or Verily, "This generation shall not pass away till all these things be accomplished " (Mark 13:30; Matt. 24:34; Luke 16:32). It would seem from all this that the occasion and scope of this prophecy are clear beyond controversy. It was preceded by many a word of rebuke and warning to the hypocritical scribes and Pharisees, and a terrible woe pronounced against Jerusalem, the murderess of saints and prophets. The time-limit so emphatically asserted accords perfectly with the assurance given on another occasion that some of those who listened to the great Teacher should not die till they had seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Milton Terry, 1898)

"Was not the judgment and sad conflagration of Jerusalem, and destruction of the Jewish church and nation, an assurance of the judgment to come ; when the expressions whereby it is described are such as, you think, meant nothing else but that final judgment? As, ' Christ's coming: coming in clouds, in his glory, in his kingdom : — the day of the Lord; the great and terrible day of the Lord : — the end of the world ; the end of all things : — the sun darkened ; the moon not giving light: — the stars falling from heaven, and the powers of heaven shaken: —the sign of the Son of man appearing in heaven: — heaven departing as a scroll rolled together, and every mountain and hill removed out of its place,' &c. You would think, they meant nothing but the last and universal judgment; whereas their meaning, indeed, is Christ's coming in judgment and vengeance against the Jewish city and nation; but a fore-signification also of the last judgment...

That the destruction of Jerusalem is very frequently expressed in Scripture as if it were the destruction of the whole world, Deuteronomy 32:22; "A fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell" (the discourse there is about the wrath of God consuming that people; see verses 20,21), "and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." Jeremiah 4:23; "I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form and void; and the heavens, and they had no light," &c. The discourse there also is concerning the destruction of that nation, Isaiah 65:17; "Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered," &c. And more passages of this sort among the prophets. According to this sense, Christ speaks in this place; and Peter speaks in his Second Epistle, third chapter; and John, in the sixth of the Revelation; and Paul, 2 Corinthians 5:17,&c...

The destruction of Jerusalem is phrased in Scripture as the destruction of the whole world; and Christ's coming to her in judgment, as his coming to the last judgment. Therefore, those dreadful things, spoken of in Matt. 24:29,30 and 31, are but borrowed expressions, to set forth the terms of that judgment the more.. v.30 - "then shall they see" - not any visible appearance of Christ, or of the cross, in the clouds (as some have imagined); but, whereas Jews would not own Christ before for the Son of Man, or for the Messias, then by the vengeance that he should execute upon them, they and all the world should see an evident sign, and it was so. This, therefore, is called "his coming," and his coming in his kingdom...

for wheresoever the carcase is, &c. I wonder any can understand these words of pious men flying to Christ, when the discourse here is of quite a different thing: they are thus connected to the foregoing: Christ shall be revealed with a sudden vengeance; for when God shall cast off the city and people, grown ripe for destruction, like a carcase thrown out, the Roman soldiers, like eagles, shall straight fly to it with their eagles (ensigns) to tear and devour it. And to this also agrees the answer of Christ, Luke 27:37; when, after the same words that are spoken here in this chapter, it was inquired, 'Where, Lord?' he answered, 'Wheresoever the body is: &c.; silently hinting thus much, that Jerusalem, and that wicked nation which he described through the whole chapter, would be the carcase, to which the greedy and devouring eagles would fly to prey upon it...

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man. Then shall the Son of man give a proof of himself, who they would not before acknowledge: a proof, indeed, not in any visible figure, but in vengeance and judgment so visible, that all the tribes of the earth shall be forced to acknowledge him the avenger. The Jews would not know him: now they shall know him, whether they will or no, Isa. xxvi. II. Many times they asked of him a sign: now a sign shall appear, that he is the true Messiah, whom they despised, derided, and crucified, namely, his signal vengeance and fury, such as never any nation felt from the first foundations of the world...

This generation shall not pass, &c. Hence it appears plain enough, that the foregoing verses are not to be understood of the last judgment but, as we said, of the destruction of Jerusalem. There were some among the disciples (particularly John), who lived to see these things come to pass. With Matt. 16:28, compare John 21:22. And there were some Rabbins alive at the time when Christ spoke these things, that lived till the city was destroyed, viz. Rabban Simeon, who perished with the city, R. Jochanan Ben Zaccai, who outlived it, R. Zadoch, R. Ishmael, and others." (John Lightfoot(1601-1675))


Believe what you will but do not call it God's Truth!

the saints are raptured before the tribulation.
The erroneous concept of the rapture happening after the tribulation is an impossibility.

The marriage supper happens in heaven immediately before the return of Jesus with his bride.

Antichrist murders almost everybody that is saved but left after the rapture,leaving almost zero saints for the concept of the posttrib rapture.

Also if you examine the posttrib model NO SAINTS see heaven. They would meet a returning King (not groom) on his way to earth with riderless horses to pick up the saints that would do an about face to earth.

Look closely at the bride/bridegroom and you will notice Gods purposes are not tribulation oriented but , like on earth, Gods focus is on his bride.

Jesus said ".....but pray that you might be counted worthy to escape the things that are about to come upon the world"

The whole purpose of the rapture is for Jesus to come for his bride.

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" It will not be a fun time during the Great Tribulation, but it will be full of Glory for the saints. We must stick together and be the bride that He has called us to be."

There will be no bride on earth. The marriage supper happens in heaven.
By the time Jesus mounts his horse she is no longer called his bride ,but in fact,in rev. "for his wife has made herself ready"
The time of the bride is over by the time Jesus returns,at the end of the trib ,with his wife ,all on white horses.

There simply will be nobody to rapture. The tares will have taken the mark and the nominal Christians that go through the tribulation are martyred way before the end of the tribulation.

There is absolutely no way to make a posttrib rapture fit.

After David Wilkerson's prophecy was posted I did a bit more reading in the Word to refresh my memory about the end times and what one may reasonably expect. Matthew 10:22 jumped out at me: Jesus says his children will be hated by ALL men..The word ALL, not 'some' or a 'few' but ALL. No one can seek any refuge, any comfort from any government, any one in a position of power. Serious....

"FEMA camps"....years ago some prophets were declaring that shopping malls will be converted into prisons to house Christians ....So for years I avoided malls for the reason that I feared the secret police would make a surprise attack on the mall I was in...

The reality is the things you posted is already the reality of many Christians in some parts of the globe or have been in the past 100 years. The reality is also that things will not get any better regardless of your interpretation of eschatology..

So, let's be sober and be ready for that day...and to get ready is to be faithful in the little things that confront us that work to sideline us.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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Sandra Miller