Julian, since I didn't write that article, you need to address the person who wrote it that they have an unteachable spirit.

L.T.Halsey said " If one who believes that healing is in the atonement on the same basis as the forgiveness of sins, is anointed and prayed for and not healed, then how could they be sure their sins were forgiven ?

1 Jn.5:13 tells us we may know that we have eternal life NOW. On the same basis, we would know that we have immortal bodies now. Our diseases would be taken away just as our sins are taken away. This we know is not the case.


Christ redeemed our spirit, soul and body on the cross. But the curse, though judged is still operative. Satan though judged is still at liberty. Sickness and death. Though judged, are still taking their toll. The day of full redemption has not come. We see not yet all things put under his feet (Heb.2:8) The redemption of our bodies will come when Christ comes for the church, this is our blessed hope (1 Cor. 15;51-53; Titus 2:13; 1 Thess. 4:13-18)."

Why didn’t we receive physical healing when we first believed? The same faith we used to be saved spiritually by certainly is enough to be healed with. So in essence if it is a guarantee, then all should be physically cured at the same time they are saved.


We have not seen such a demonstration in all the history of the church its not even found in the Bible. The truth is some of the most spiritual people which have Christ fortitude are afflicted, and know him in a way many of us will not. They are the ones who need to exercise complete faith each and every day, sometimes for the smallest of needs that we all take for granted.

If you pray to be healed and are not, does this mean you don't have ANY faith? Because Jesus said it only took the smallest amount to move a mountain. Does this mean you may not be saved because you have not been healed? How much more faith do we need for our healing then we used for our salvation?


If one is sick or even dies because of a lack of faith then how do they know they have salvation? Because that same faith that cannot make them well. This would mean only those who are physically healed are really saved. If a believer asks for healing and is not healed, how does he know that when he asks for forgiveness that his sins are actually forgiven? These are logical questions that need to be answered.


If someone came up to you when your child was sick and said he was a doctor let me prescribe medicine for him. You would probably say I don’t know you, your not my physician let me see your credentials before I accept what you say. Why do we not do this in the church when someone comes in and says he can lay hands on the child and he will be healed or let me lead you into a new experience of the Holy Spirit. Should we not ask their views on Christ and other essential doctrines before we give our loved ones or ourselves into their hands. I think So!


Do not be deceived by the false promises and false teachings of popular charismatic leaders that take Scriptures out of their context. Follow the Bible and avoid those who promote error and confusion. Then peace will come in any situation your in, whether your sick or healthy.

Here's another unteachable spirit!!

http://www.letusreason.org/Wf10.htm

Katy

Katy-did,

I'm aware that it was not written by you but you do hold to it or you would not have posted it. What i am referring to is your constant on and on and on with your views and doctrines. I won't go back and forth with you because you love that. I stand by what i said in my last post about you, below:

Julian,

Did David ask YOU a question?

God Bless you Julian!!

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A man once said:

"How can you call yourselves Christians and be so mean?"


We need to sit back, relax and buy some gold refined in the fire. Take the time to be acquainted with the Holy Spirit and the Word.

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Christiaan

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this is good;

"Faith is just the open door through which the Lord comes. Do not say, "I was healed by faith." Faith does not save. God saves through that open door. Healing comes the same way. You believe, and the virtue of Christ comes. Healing is for the glory of God. I am here because God healed me when I was dying; and I have been all round the world preaching this full redemption, doing all I can to bring glory to the wonderful name of Jesus, through whom I was healed.

"Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon thee." The Lord told us in one place about an evil spirit going out from a man. The house that he left got all swept arid garnished, but it received no new occupant. And that evil spirit, with seven other spirits more wicked than himself, went back to that unoccupied house, and the last stage of the man was worse than the first. The Lord does not heal you to go to a baseball game or to a race meet. He heals you for His glory and that from henceforth your life shall glorify Him. But this man remained stationary. He did not magnify God. He did not seek to be filled with the Spirit. And his last state became worse than the first.

The Lord would so cleanse the motive and desires of our hearts that we will seek but one thing only, and that is, His glory. I went to a certain place one day and the Lord said, "This is for My glory." A young man had been sick for along time confined to his bed in an utterly hopeless condition. He was fed only with a spoon, and was never dressed. The weather was damp, and so I said to the people of the house, "I wish you would put the young man's clothes by the fire to air." At first they would not take any notice of my request, but because I was persistent, they at last got out his clothes, and, when they were aired, I took them into his room.
..............wigglesworth


David

I wanted to re-post this,does anyone know who wrote this song?;






O God of burning, cleansing flame, Send the fire

Your blood - bought gift today we claim, Send the fire today

God of Elijah, hear our cry, Send the fire

And make us fit to live or die, send the fire today

To burn up every trace of sin, to bring the light and glory in

The revolution now begins, Send the fire today

It's fire we want, for fire we plead, Send the fire

The fire will meet our every need, Send the fire today

Give us strength to always do what's right,

And grace to conquer in the fight

for power to walk this world in white, Send the fire today

Look down and see this waiting host

And send the promised Holy Ghost

We need another Pentecost, Send the fire today

To make our weak hearts strong and brave, Send the fire

To live a dying world to save, Send the fire

Lord, we're here tonight and we're on Your alter, Send the fire

We give our lives to You today, Send the fire

Send the fire today!




David