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Then you understand NOTHING concerning an 'exception'.
Let me ask....are you a sinner?
Do you sin? Ever?
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If I use your logic then THIS passage CANNOt be true.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
If 1 John 3:9 were an accurate translation that would be a contradiction, but the NASB is more accurate in the translation in this case.
1Jo 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
It should say "No one who is born of God" abides continually in or practices sin. This is more consistent with the countless other verses that say that those who practice sin can not inherit God's Kingdom.
The problem is primarily in translation and is not a matter of God contradicting Himself. If you are correct in your interpretation of Jesus' statements in the Gospels regarding remarriage, then there is an irreconcilable contradiction in scripture, which obviously isn't the case.
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|  2006/5/13 17:06 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Im sorry, but your NASB is not an accurate word for word rendering.
The greek words (dunamai,ou) there rendered as our 'cannot' appear in many other verses where they mean just that....CANNOT...
cannot, 48
Mat_5:14, Mat_6:24, Mat_7:18, Mat_26:53, Mat_27:42, Mar_2:19, Mar_3:24-26 (3), Mar_7:18, Mar_15:31, Luk_11:7, Luk_14:20, Luk_14:26-27 (2), Luk_14:33, Luk_16:13, Luk_16:26, Joh_3:3, Joh_3:5, Joh_7:7, Joh_7:34, Joh_7:36, Joh_8:21-22 (2), Joh_8:43, Joh_10:35, Joh_13:33, Joh_13:37, Joh_14:17, Joh_15:4, Joh_16:12, Act_4:16, Act_4:20, Act_5:39, Act_15:1, Act_27:31, Rom_8:8, 1Co_12:21 (3), 1Co_15:50, 1Ti_5:25, 2Ti_2:13, Heb_4:15, Heb_9:5, Jam_4:2, 1Jo_3:9
Your version is faulty
but we also see that regardless of hard, word for word rendering, there is a CONTEXT that causes the NASB writers to make their rendering what it is.
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| | Re: | | Huh.
and HERE is what your NASB says in the exceptoin clauses.
Mat 5:32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, [b]except for the reason of unchastity[/b], makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mat 19:9"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, [b]except for immorality[/b], and marries another woman commits adultery."
Nothing there about 'jewish betrothal' :-?
are you sure you want to keep using such a 'soft' version?
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hey, did cindy (lastblast) send you over here?
the timing is very peculiar.
I show up, she disappears, then suddenly you come in and make your very first post.
Hard to believe it was a coincedence :-) |
| | 2006/5/13 17:24 | | Sealed
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The greek words (dunamai,ou) there rendered as our 'cannot' appear in many other verses where they mean just that....CANNOT...
He is talking about people who perpetually walk in their flesh verses walking in the light. Those who are of the flesh are not born of God, while those who walk in the Spirit are. It is not saying that those who are born of God will instantly achieve perfection. It is referring to our nature itself which is changed by God's regeneration. If there is no change in your nature, you are still a child of Satan, but if your mind has been renewed you are a child of God.
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| | 2006/5/13 17:27 | Profile | Sealed
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hey, did cindy (lastblast) send you over here?
No, I heard about this board on a radio show and had no idea you were going to be here.
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| | 2006/5/13 17:29 | Profile |
| | Re: | | I know exactly what he is talking about.
but the WORD is Cannot whether you like it or not.
It requires 'interpretatoin' understanding, and CONTEXT ..to understand fully.
The NASB writers hit it dead on, but they are NOt offering a precise, word for word, rendering...so DONT pretend like they are in your failing argument in this matter.
they rendered it according to CONTEXT, but the word IS 'cannot' according to the texts I have studied.
That same type of CONTEXT applies to your quoted passages showing that an EXCEPTION CAN exist along with the rule.
THAt is what an EXCEPTION is, SE, even if you dont get it. :-)
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The greek words (dunamai,ou) there rendered as our 'cannot' appear in many other verses where they mean just that....CANNOT...
He is talking about people who perpetually walk in their flesh verses walking in the light. Those who are of the flesh are not born of God, while those who walk in the Spirit are. It is not saying that those who are born of God will instantly achieve perfection. It is referring to our nature itself which is changed by God's regeneration. If there is no change in your nature, you are still a child of Satan, but if your mind has been renewed you are a child of God.
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| | 2006/5/13 17:31 | | Sealed
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are you sure you want to keep using such a 'soft' version?
Yeah, I prefer it over the Baconian Rosicrucian translation.
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are you sure you want to keep using such a 'soft' version?
Yeah, I prefer it over the Baconian Rosicrucian translation.
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It seems you dont accept all that the NASB has to say then, because it no more states that 'fornication = illicit betrothal sex' than any other version does.... |
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