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 Revivals that Stay E.M. Bounds

From the [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php]Articles[/url] section:

[u]Revivals that Stay[/u]

There are counterfeit revivals well executed, well calculated to deceive the most wary. These are deceptive and superficial, with many pleasant, entertaining, delusive features, entirely lacking in the offensive features which distinguish the genuine ones. The pain of penitence, the shame of guilt, the sorrow and humiliation of sin, the fear of hell—these marks of the genuine are lacking in the counterfeit. The test of a genuine revival is found in its staying qualities. The counterfeit is but a winter spurt, as evanescent and fitful as the morning cloud or early dew—both soon gone—and the sun but the hotter for the mockery of the cloud and because of the fleeting dew. These surface revivals do more harm than good, like a surface thaw in midwinter which only increases the hardness and roughness of tomorrow’s freeze. The genuine revival goes to the bottom of things; the sword is not swaddled in cotton, nor festooned with flowers, but pierces to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow.

E.M. Bounds

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The pain of penitence, the shame of guilt, the sorrow and humiliation of sin, the fear of hell—these marks of the genuine are lacking in the counterfeit.


Praise God Mike! Thank you for digging this one up. I have not read most of the articles and its great for people to bring to peoples attention various gems in the articles section. What light this man had, what is lacking in so called modern day revival movements:

i) pain of pentence
ii) shame of guilt
iii) the fear of hell

Notice that he didnt say these are what [b]makes[/b] a genuine revival but he rather said these are the things that differ the genuine from the counterfiet and I think its a very applicable statement for today.


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Hehe :-)

Well, have to give credit where credit is due:

It actually popped up in the random article sidebar this morning and caught my eye just as I was going to post.

By the way, this is an incredible aspect that has been added to the site, with so many great articles to read having something that catch's your eye like this and the built in surprise element, excellent function!

Got to be quick though, if you go to another page another one comes up even though it also is likely to be just as good...guess you can't really lose.

Then there is the Intercessors newsletter from our brother Lars today...

A must read!
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I don't know to much about Bounds but having read a short story about him he was quite the dude. He did'nt strike me as a Finney or a Whitfield but most certainly a man who exercised his faith quietly where he was. Really struck by his contribution in the civil war, and how he ministered there.

Quite an example


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I don't know to much about Bounds but having read a short story about him he was quite the dude. He did'nt strike me as a Finney or a Whitfield but most certainly a man who exercised his faith quietly where he was. Really struck by his contribution in the civil war, and how he ministered there.


Yes E.M. Bounds has left a mark on history and that has been on his knees. He wrote about prayer but not only wrote but put into practice what he wrote. He was a phenominal man spiritual but from the worlds perspective not exciting. He was invited to preach for a month at a church before he passed away. He never considered himself a preacher but felt through the written word he could make a difference, its amazing that the Lord allowed him to preach and share his heart for a period of time in church, ohh to be there. His books were published through faith and he encouraged anyone to reprint them and spread them around. Its amazing how all the books he has written on prayer have almost become classics. I am praying about publishing all of his words in one nice hardcover volume.


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[b]The Ministry of Prayer[/b]

"THE ministry of prayer has been the peculiar distinction of all of God's saints. This has been the secret of their power. The energy and the soul of their work has been the closet. The need of help outside of man being so great, man's natural inability to always judge kindly, justly, and truly, and to act the Golden Rule, so prayer is enjoined by Christ to enable man to act in all these things according to the divine will. By prayer, the ability is secured to feel the law of love, to speak according to the law of love, and to do everything in harmony with the law of love.

God can help us. God is a father. We need God's good things to help us to "do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly before God." We need divine aid to act brotherly, wisely, and nobly, and to judge truly, and charitably. God's help to do all these things in God's way is secured by prayer. "Ask, and ye shall receive; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."

In the marvelous output of Christian graces and duties, the result of giving ourselves wholly to God, recorded in the twelfth chapter of Romans, we have the words, "Continuing instant in prayer," preceded by "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation," followed by, "Distributing to the necessity of the saints, given to hospitality." Paul thus writes as if these rich and rare graces and unselfish duties, so sweet, bright, generous, and unselfish, had for their center and source the ability to pray.

This is the same word which is used of the prayer of the disciples which ushered in Pentecost with all of its rich and glorious blessings of the Holy Spirit. In Colossians, Paul presses the word into the service of prayer again, "Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving." The word in its background and root means strong, the ability to stay, and persevere steadfast, to hold fast and firm, to give constant attention to.

In Acts, chapter six, it is translated, "Give ourselves continually to prayer." There is in it constancy, courage, unfainting perseverance. It means giving such marked attention to, and such deep concern to a thing, as will make it conspicuous and controlling.

This is an advance in demand on "continue." Prayer is to be incessant, without intermission, earnestly, no check in desire, in spirit or in act, the spirit and the life always in the attitude of prayer. The knees may not always be bent, the lips may not always be vocal with words of prayer, but the spirit is always in the act of prayer.

There ought to be no adjustment of life or spirit for closet hours. The closet spirit should sweetly rule and adjust all times and occasions. Our activities and work should be performed in the same spirit which makes our devotion and closet time sacred. "Without intermission, incessantly, earnestly," describes an opulence, and energy, and unabated and ceaseless strength and fullness of effort; like the full and exhaustless and spontaneous flow of an artesian stream. Touch the man of God who thus understands prayer, at any point, at any time, and a full current of prayer is seen flowing from him."

Continued ... [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=1723]The Ministry of Prayer [/url]

E.M. Bounds


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[b]E.M. Bounds[/b]... cont..

A genuine revival marks an era in the life of the church. It plants the germs of the great spiritual principles which grow and mature through all the changing seasons that follow. Revival seasons are favoring seasons, when the tides of salvation are at their flood, when all the waves and winds move heavenward...days of emancipation and return and rapture. The church needs revivals; it cannot live, it cannot do its work without them. Revivals which will lift it above the sands of worldliness that shallow the current and impede the sailing. Revivals which will radicate the great spiritual principles, which are worn threadbare in many a church. It is true that in the most thorough work some will fall away, but when the work is genuine and far-reaching, as it ought to be, the waste will scarcely be felt in the presence of the good that remains.

The first element, in a revival whose effects will stay, is that the revival spring from within the church, the native outgrowth of the spiritual condition of the church. The so-called revivals do not spring from the repentance, faith, and prayers of the church, but are induced by foreign and outside forces. Many of the religious movements of the day have no foundation in the travailing throes of the church. By outside pressure, the presence and reputation of an evangelist, of imported singers and imported songs, an interest is awakened, a passing impression made, but these are quite different from the concern aroused by the presence of God and the mighty [b]power[/b] of his almighty Spirit. In the manufactured revival there is an interest which does not deepen into conviction, which is not subdued into awe, which cannot be molded into prayer, nor agitated by fears. There is the utter absence of the spirit of prayer; neither has the spirit of repentance any place; lightness and frivolity reign; tears are strange and unwelcome visitors. The church-members, instead of being on their knees in intercession, or mingling their wrestling cries with the wrestling penitents, or joining in rapturous praise with their rapturous deliverance, are simply spectators of a pleasing entertainment, in which they have but a momentary interest, the results of which, viewed from a spiritual stand-point, are far below zero. A revival means a burdened church and a burdened pastor and burdened penitents.

The revival whose results are gracious and abiding must spring from the spiritual contact of pastor and church with God. A season of fasting and prayer of deep humiliation and confession are the conditions from which a genuine and [b]powerful[/b] work springs.

The nature of the preaching is of the first importance. Its character will grade the converts and measure the depth of the work. The word of God in its purity and strength must be given. The law of God in its spiritual demands must arouse the conscience, and pierce and lay bare the heart. If there ever is a time for sentimental anecdotes, for the exercise of wit, if the preacher is ever justified in pausing to soften the sympathies or inflame the fancy, it is not at this period.

The object must not be to increase the impulses, or move on the surface, or work on tender emotions, but to convict the conscience, search out the sinner and expose his sins, to alarm the guilty soul, and intensify the faith and effort of the believer. The word of God is the imperishable and vitalizing seed. [b]The Spirit of God is the quickening energy that is to be let loose. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit. The sword must be unsheathed, and cut with both edges[/b].

The spirit of prayer must be the one evident and prevailing spirit. The spirit of prayer is but the spirit of faith, the spirit of reverence, the spirit of supplies, of grace, and mercy and is increased. This spirit holds in its keeping the success of the word and power of the Holy Spirit; as the spirit of prayer fail these fail. If the spirit of prayer is absent or is quenched, God is not in the assembly. He comes and stays only in the cloud of glory formed by the incense of a church whose flame of prayer is ascending to him. All genuine revivals are simply God coming with great grace to his Church. The revival that springs from heart contact of the church with God, which is directed and intensified by the pure preaching of the pure word of God, and in which, and through which, prayer, mighty prayer, prevails, will be a revival that will stay in its coming.

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Christian Advocate
December 6,1890


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The spirit of prayer must be the one evident and prevailing spirit. The spirit of prayer is but the spirit of faith, the spirit of reverence, the spirit of supplies, of grace, and mercy and is increased. This spirit holds in its keeping the success of the word and power of the Holy Spirit; as the spirit of prayer fail these fail. If the spirit of prayer is absent or is quenched, God is not in the assembly. He comes and stays only in the cloud of glory formed by the incense of a church whose flame of prayer is ascending to him. All genuine revivals are simply God coming with great grace to his Church. The revival that springs from heart contact of the church with God, which is directed and intensified by the pure preaching of the pure word of God, and in which, and through which, prayer, mighty prayer, prevails, will be a revival that will stay in its coming.
-E.M. Bounds



I came upon this thread and found some really good things in it concerning revival.

[i]If the spirit of prayer is absent or is quenched, God is not in the assembly.[/i]

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These surface revivals do more harm than good, like a surface thaw in midwinter which only increases the hardness and roughness of tomorrow’s freeze. The genuine revival goes to the bottom of things; the sword is not swaddled in cotton, nor festooned with flowers, but pierces to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow.



[i]The genuine revival goes to the bottom of things.[/i]

I've been thinking about deception and how so many people are blinded to what lies within their own hearts. Satan is the father of lies. How many unconverted people has he deceived into believing they are 'Christians'? And how many believers has he deceived with lies that bring them into bondage? And what about the deception of a proud heart? I've been realising that it is possible for any of us to be deceived, even concerning our own spiritual state.

John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

We need a genuine revival that goes to the bottom of things, reveals the lies, and brings forth the truth! And only the Spirit of God can do such a work!

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prevailing prayer what a hard thing to do.. WIthout God.. But when we God calls you to pray it is you obey or not. But prevailing prayer is hard, but with Gods grace anything is possible.

Amen

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