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| | Re: naw, them fellers | | Well now... this explains a lot.
Krispy |
|  2007/7/26 16:27 | |
| | Re: | | I'm just now getting to read these last pages.
Krispy, you're sharper than me, could you or Worm explain what is meant by having a nurse and all .... do you really have one Worm --- are you really disabled ? :-o |
| | 2007/7/26 17:39 | |
| | Re: | | I thought he was joking...
...still think he is.
Krispy |
| | 2007/7/26 18:01 | |
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worm said
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... I work nights and about this time I have to be put down for a nap ... y'know I got one of them collages hanging above my crib, and ...
.... LOL .... :-D ..... I laughed a lot!
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| | 2007/7/26 18:24 | |
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Compliments wrote:
Dear Family
I have been reading every post on this thread. With lowliness of spirit I am grieved by this continued bickering. I was a contributor of the bickering, but as the saying goes, "does two wrongs make a right?"
Stephen and Melissa posted a letter of rebuke which I appreciated greatly because my attitude was not right, I lashed out towards a brother (Ron) and judged the man without even looking further into the matter.
Though it's none of my business, however, I wished that these liberties were not spoken. I have certain liberties that I have that do not offend me, but to someone else it may, therefore I keep them to myself and God.
After "I was told", I re read what I had written and read it again and again, as I was reading my own post my spirit sunk in me. You know Brothers and Sisters, we may be right in our zeal, but our attitude in presenting it is crap. We need to really think about what we are typing here. And I hope that this thread does not get locked, perhaps it can be redeemed thru proper reasonings.
Yes we are going to oppose the obvious, however, in our zeal to be right, let us consider the Brother and the Sister that might be reading our script.
It says that a "soft answer turns away wrath", let us read and re read one anothers posts and grasp the fullness of what the person is saying before we say anything. And who am I to say such things:cry:
If I may extend the olive branch with this scripture, James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Let us consider our anger before we reply, are we trying to be right? are we trying to justify our position? Do I really love the person that I am replying too?
God Bless Family
AMEN Brother. You have shown grace and true Godly sorrow, a tender heart to accept rebuke. The Lord can use such a one mightily, whatever his faults. I always think of the dfifference between King Saul and David in this kind of context. Who was the more beloved of the Lord? Answer, [u][i]the one who knew how to repent[/i][/u].
May we all have that grace.
In Him
Jeannette |
| | 2007/7/26 18:49 | |
| | Re: Grannie Annie..."disabled"? | | Well, "disabled" is a relative term, it depends on how one looks at it. Am I able to care for myself? Yes. Am I able to preambulate without assistance, either human or machine? Yes. Am I deemed to be compentent to handle my affairs on a daily basis? Well, there's where we get into a bit of contention,a "gray" area. Those who are tasked to handle my affairs, shall we say have deemed it "helpful" that I retain a nurse at the ready, should I require her assistance.
I do find such assistance helpful in the long run, at times it can be a bit of a bother, but the weighing the positive versus the negative aspects of it all,I just think of it all, as a minor "bump in the road", nothing to get into a red-faced screaming tirade over. Thank you for your concern, and may God bless you. By the way, the dear girl is an ex-Corpsman, served her country honorably and quite a nice, even-handed person, considering my eccentricities and quirks. Mind you now, it's an entirely chaste and professional relationship, nothing untoward, unseemingly or even vaguely sinful about it, God forbid. Though I do get rather impatient with her, at times, poor lass.
God bless you again. |
| | 2007/7/26 19:12 | | deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead
| | Re: Grannie Annie..."disabled"? | | this makes me want to cry
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| | 2007/7/26 19:21 | Profile |
| | Re: why deltadom? | | Quote:
this makes me want to cry
consider this, in an insane world, maybe only the insane are sane.
and I have not been declared incompetent, I'm just doing a little bending, better to bend, than to break, wouldn't you say?
Estate executors and lawyers are agents of the world, Jesus is in charge of my affairs, wipe your tears dear brother, laugh, be joyous. If your going to cry, cry tonight over the billions of children who go to bed hungry, or don't have clean drinking water, or Bibles, or know that Christ is Lord. Don't weep over a worm. |
| | 2007/7/26 19:34 | | UniqueWebRev
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| | Re: Harry Potter can't save your soul, but Jesus can! | | Quote:
dorcas wrote:
I looked up the following scripture (not sure if it's been posted already) and saw a new thing... a kind of allegory about ourselves, who have been made kings and priest to God... that if we are not obedient to Him, He [u]will[/u] take away our kingdom.
[color=006699]1 Samuel 15
22 Then Samuel said:
"Has the LORD [i]as great[/i] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
[i]And[/i] to heed than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion [i]is as[/i] the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness [i]is as[/i] iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
He also has rejected you from [i]being[/i] king." 24 Then Saul said to Samuel,
"I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice.
25 "Now therefore, please pardon my sin, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD." 26 But Samuel said to Saul,
"I will not return with you, for you have rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD has rejected you from being king over Israel."
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To reject His word is, therefore, in God's mind, a choice with very serious consequences. His word should be the (only) rock on which we build, and if we build on sand instead, we can [u]expect[/u] our house to fall flat in the flood. It won't even make it to the fire.
Let me end with these questions.
If you come from a witchcraft background, or have knowingly dabbled in it while also being a church-goer, how has this conflict affected you?
How did you get free, or, do you still struggle in its grip, or because of gaps in your understanding of scripture or theology, not knowing how the gospel effectively deals with this thing?
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iansmith wrote:
Last night I finished Harry Potter... I have a few things to say, but I won't go into any great detail. Here are a few observations from the book:
Harry Potter book 7 references Christianity both subtly and overtly.
There is rich Christian symbolism in the end of Harry Potter. And as I've suggested earlier, they give us an opportunity to share with those who are reading it about the Savior who had done this on the cross for the sake of the world.
I have looked through several interviews with JK Rowling looking for this reference that everyone says she says that she practices wicca, and haven't found it -it's an urban legend. She may not be a conservative evangelical Christian (she claims to be a Presbyterian) but she has denied in several citable interviews that she does magic, endorses wicca or wrote this to corrupt our children.
I found what I was looking for in this book. A way to talk about Jesus through it. This book can be a pulpit to proclaim the power of Jesus to save. I hope you do not dismiss it without reading it discerningly.
Today I had a wonderful time of prayer with the Lord, I don't think He was displeased with me for reading Harry Potter because I was looking for Him the whole time. I cannot claim that I didn't have mixed motives for reading the book, it was a delightful book, but Christ purified my motives thismorning by showing me how to use this to proclaim His name.
Oddly, despite all the varied and passionate opinons laid down in this thread, a few things have not surfaced.
From the beginning, the mainstream Christian Church has said the Harry Potter books were evil.
Yet as we, through Ian, finish the 7th book of the series, a number filled with symbolism in itself, one gets the feeling that the author, Rowlings, may have pulled off something amazing in her series of children's books.
In addition to getting youngsters to read, perhaps for the first time, because the books are set within a deceptively attractive fantasy framework, one finds, if you look carefully, that the Harry Potter books are laced with the pure milk of the Bible.
Quite a coup, indeed, if Rowlings pulled all those youngsters through the pages of the 7th book, where the symbolism in the book is rich with Christian meaning, and lays the groundwork for some serious talk in the churches...or at home.
Unfortunately, the mainline Churches have been lambasting the books for so long, I rather doubt very many among them bothered to read them.
Those Christian bookstores that had Harry Potter books, are they now correct, for seeing the Christian infuence laid everywhere in a fairy tale for children?
For the Potter books are basically just fairytales, to drag the interest of far too worldly children to a point where they can see God, if they choose to, or it is pointed out to them.
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Dorcas asked an interesting question. What about someone who was once in the occult? Would books like these get someone into the occult?
Well, a bookseller placing the Potter books in the witchraft section is certainly doing these children no good, and might be a great temptation to a parent buying the Potter books. But it will not be many children who pick up those very adult books on witchcraft as a religion, and attempt to put a few spells into action. It's the teenager, or adult, that might do that, but not from the Harry Potter books.
They'll watch several TV series, and watch a lot of movies with witchery in them, and maybe check out the bookstore for information...or the internet. It's all there, after all.
But some parents and many grandparents can recall a time when the Wizard of Oz was a pleasant fantasy in a grim worldtime of the Great Depression.
When I watched the movie, I could tell that the 'Good' witch was beautiful and the 'Bad' witch was ugly. Even so, I wanted to be Dorothy, not Glinda, the Good Witch, who was much more like a fairy Godmother than a witch at all.
Bewitched, the television series, was part of my youth. I watched it weekly, first in Black and White TV, and then in Color, and then in reruns, for it was so obviously a comedy series based on a premise of mischievous witches in our mundane world, and the good and the evil were pretty plainly laid out.
I read a lot of Science Fiction and Fantasy, as well.
None of them got me into the occult. They did, however form a background of psychic phenomena as being a possibility in my mind, and indeed is a real circumstance, and one often used as much by the Lord, as by Lucifer's minions.
And witchcraft, as a religion, was considered a joke in my youth, although it is a very serious business now, and with demons just waiting to assist, it can get pretty nasty. Study a little demonology, and some ritual spells, and you are in so deep you may lose your ability to get to Jesus at all. I had the books for reference material in writing...fortunately they scared me to the point that I wouldn't open them a second time.
Instead, I went straight into divination.
Why? I have the basic intuitive gift that is needed for easy spiritual contact, whether for Lucifer or for Jesus, and I read a book that gave an example of 'reading the cards' and how accurate they could be.
They are very accurate if you have a demon helping you, not because the demons know the future, but because they watch us all, and can communicate necessary information instantly to each other, and hence to the reader, who then can make very good assessments of what will happen according to the subject's ordinary behavior, habits, personal history and known opportunities and problems. And the demons are just waiting for you to try it, just one time.
Strange that that talent, that bent or sensitivity that can be used in divination was brought out in me based only on an example in a book, using ordinary playing cards.
So I bought another book. Then Tarot Cards. Then I got into studying the rich symbolism of the cards themselves, and how they are used as an aid to intuitive use.
Well, no matter. Jesus had been walking on one side of me while the demon was on the other until I learned enough to turn from the evil to the good.
I had no grandfather like Ron to read the books, and show me what was wrong and what was right.
And like Ian, I was brought up in a house of extreme license...jail was never an option, of course, but neither was embaressing my family. Other than that, I was pretty much on my own from age 9, and a lot of damage had been done long before I reached that age.
Books were my only friends. Fantasy was my escape, and still is from time to time, though there are many books I simply find distasteful, or ugly, or downright dangerous now that I am with Jesus.
Because I remember the days of evil.
The Harry Potter Books are a two edged sword, that will being benefit to some, and damnation to others, depending on the parents or grandparents, or Youth Pastors of the children reading those books.
Making them forbidden fruit to Christian children...that too is not wise, for we live in a time where there is no safety anywhere, except in Jesus.
Dear Lord, how are we to reach the unsaved? With a book that is popular in the world, and thus use it to show the way to Christ? Perhaps.
I wish the books had not been written.
But they are out there in the millions, and children can get them anywhere from a library, and read them openly because they are fashionable, or in secret if they are forbidden fruit.
I wish I had had a grandfather who would have cared what I was reading at the tender age of 9. But I was still on Jesus track, despite everything around me, until I hit 15, was baptised, got scared away from the church, and was coaxed into the occult...through a positive example of 'reading the cards' in a book I shouldn't have been reading in the first place.
But I didn't have such a grandfather, or a parent, or a Youth Pastor trying to get me safely into Jesus' arms, and I suffered for it. God will, I pray, use all of that as a witness to help others in the years to come.
So we are left with a dilemna. The Potter books can lead both ways, but a lot depends on the parents, grandparents, and Youth Pastors of those children. If a child already has been taught a few basics from the Bible, and about Jesus, the books will not harm them if used as a tool. But leaving a child alone with such a book? Dangerous indeed.
Unfortunately, our whole world is dangerous now, and not just to children. But if I had my choice, knowing all that I know, I would rather be able to read the books, and enjoy them as fantasy, while being carefully shown, by a loving parent or grandparent, or a youth pastor, what is wrong in the books and what is right.
How better to learn?
We cannot keep all of this world from our children. And children understand a great deal more than we give them credit for.
Are the Potter books a danger for our children? Of course! So is going to school, or staying overnight with friends, or watching TV!
In the end, we can only do so much to turn our children's feet to Christ. God has to do a good deal, to gain those children as they pass into adulthood and re-think all that they have been taught, at home, and in the schools, and by the world.
But it is indeed true...one book, read alone by a child, can do a great deal of harm.
I can testify to it.
Blessings,
Forrest
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| | 2007/7/26 19:43 | Profile | deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead
| | Re: | | I am getting sick of this thread and I started it!
Arent we just rehashing old questions. Lock it.Just Stop it!! Do anything!!!
The thing that has been on my heart is the damaging effect witchcraft has had in a different form in which it seems as a church we have taken, hook, line and sinker.
I just want Jesus and I want truth!!! I dont want half truths. I just want him.
I am capable of being deceived as anybody else but I wish you could realized my love for you in starting this thread and finishing this.
When I was in pornography it took one picture and one sin to get me away from Jesus.
I want to run away from evil and into Jesus's arm.
Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
I am just waiting for this world so there are no grey areas. I want what is good and what is true.
I dont want any muddy mixtures but I want the grace to handle the truth.
I just want him!!
Please end this thread!! I beg you and plead you!!
Dom
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