sis Diane
our perception of God has been twisted from that of a very sovereign God to a teddy-bear who wouldn't let His children suffer. If Christ the Son of God who was without blame suffered, what right to we have to think we won't have to endure some persecution. i guess this is why i'm somewhat leary of the whole pre-trib rapture as most people see it, we get swept away unscathed. i feel more and more that before people are caught up, there will be persecution. a quick look at the O.T. will show us another side of God, then people will say the O.T. is irrelevent, but then again don't we say the Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever?

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read this story from the AP today, wanted to post it on this thread.

tonys

[u][b][size=small]Workers Have Chips Embedded Into Them[/size][/b][/u]
Mon Feb 13, 6:25 PM ET

CINCINNATI - Tiny silicon chips were embedded into two workers who volunteered to help test the tagging technology at a surveillance equipment company, an official said Monday.

The Mexico attorney general's office implanted the so-called RFIDs — for radio frequency identification chips — in some employees in 2004 to restrict access to secure areas. Implanting them in the workers at CityWatcher.com is believed to be the first use of the technology in living humans in the United States.
Sean Darks, chief executive of the company, also had one of the chips embedded.
"I have one," he said. "I'm not going to ask somebody to do something I wouldn't do myself. None of my employees are forced to get the chip to keep their job."

The chips are the size of a grain of rice and a doctor embedded them in the forearm just under the surface of the skin, Darks said.
They work "like an access card. There's a reader outside the door; you walk up to the reader, put your arm under it, and it opens the door," Darks said.
Darks said the implants don't enable CityWatcher.com to track employees' movements.
"It's a passive chip. It emits no signal whatsoever," Darks said. "It's the same thing as a keycard."

CityWatcher.com has contracts with six cities to provide cameras and Internet monitoring of high-crime areas, Darks said. The company is experimenting with the chips to identify workers with access to vaults where data and images are kept for police departments, he said.
The technology predates World War II, but has appeared in numerous modern adaptations, such as tracking pets, vehicles and commercial goods at warehouses.

After Hurricane Katrina, as body counts mounted and missing-person reports multiplied, some morgue workers in Mississippi used the tiny computer chips to keep track of unidentified remains

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yeah one of my good friends, his calling was to notify people of the times and the things to look out for like it says in revelations, he is, as he claimed and it still sits well in my spirit, called to make aware the people of the times and signs to look for. this was something he told me about. this is what was said:

its insertation directly conflicts with our faith, it directly conflicts with Christianity, to have it inserted you will be called to renounce your faith, now i dont know whether it will be administered to people by anti-christian men or whether it will just conflict with the faith by principal but as surely as you cannot have two masters you cannot accept this chip and the faith, this is what was told to me. he said at all costs refuse it, even if you have to die in struggle. it was suggested a martyrdom not a suicide. it was also said that this is in the final hours. guys we need to get the word out to people who ahvent yet heard it. every ear must have the chance to hear the word and given the chance to believe and be saved.

im not taking the risk. not under any circumstances will i accept this chip. it isnt vital in my cause. i can still talk to people without one in me.

my friend also said they were inserting them in under the skin of the neck just behind the ear lobe and i think it was the wrist or top of the hand. i just feel so sad hearing about this, but at the same time, it means we're so close to home...

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John wrote Revelation to believers in the 1st century so they could understand what would happen in the last days. Now, while the Spirit may have given John a vision of governments and employers implanting microchips for IDs and credit card purchases, he was terribly misguided if he thought his readers would understand his vision in that way. They were supposed to hear and understand, according to Christ and John. They didn't have lanterns, let alone lightbulbs, let alone electronic microchips and computers. If this is what they were supposed to understand, the church would have long tossed the Revelation out b\c John was kooky.

I do not believe the Bible teaches that a microchip will damn someone to hell and negate the grace of God, nor will rejecting a microchip get you to heaven.

Zac Poonen has a good perspective on these passages of scripture: http://poonen.org/zac/the_final_triumph.html

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Diane

i like your anwser!

when learning how to interpret scripture, people must understand when the bible is speaking in typology and literal translation. You don't have to be a learned man to understand this you just have to have the holy spirit to guide you, just a quick interpretation is- the mark of the beast 666 - the text is symbolic but also spiritual this is a spiritual discription and means

6 represents man to say it three times is to say man, man, man this is describing man's heart and the attitude he has towards God, so the sign is when men's hearts focus entirey on them selves without God in there lives, we are seeing the end times. Can we not see that today!

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