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| | loveslave | | my apologies, I was actually being sarcastic, as I see nothing wrong with Mr. Gaither's actions, in that a very public venue, he was asked to take a post concert picture with a pair of women. I'm trying to be very careful as to what I say around here.
again my apologies, and I send my prayers and my love to you. I know what its like to be lonely, since I got saved I stopped my lothario nature, and its just been Jesus and me......it gets lonely at times, but He's a wonderful Brother and a dear Friend. |
|  2006/1/29 1:59 | |
| | Re: loveslave | | Neilgin my precious brother there is no need to apologize. When you've been down into the pit as deep as I have (and you probably have, believe me many others have gone deeper) offences go over like water on a ducks back.
I do understand where the Church is coming from and why they have trouble understanding those who struggle with homosexuals, I do not condemn them, but I can't help but marvel. Even Jesus who knew the thoughts of mens hearts, marveled at the peoples lack of faith.
SI Member:Compton, gave a wonderful defining of this very thing(this is taken from this thread) this is what he had to say well worth the reading:
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The reason I mention this is a possible answer to your question...why do Christians seem to single out homosexuality? Well I think the answer is it scares them out of their wits because churches are built upon clean cut public reputations and gays threaten that reputation...especially Christian's who admit this problem from the stage...You see an adulterer or a thief is more or less accepted as just a "normal" person who gave into lust or greed, but a homosexual is ...well a homosexual. This sin becomes the overarching identity... As a result,the infiltration of "gay" people into the inner perimeter admidst "normal" (sic) Christians confuses the ranks. (Note that I am speaking with irony here dear brother...)
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many of us evangelical Christians simply don't know what to do with gay and lesbian people. We need to grow in this area. (Edit: beyond simply decrying the sin. And obviously there are certain ministries who are demonstrating greater experience and maturity in this area...my comments are not meant to be universal.)
Many homosexuals who struggle with this who come to this site, as I do not think that I am the only one coming here with this issue, just most would rather keep quiet, they would appreciate the encouraging words above.
I deeply appreciate your prayers and support my Brothers & Sisters even MrBillpro, God love ya! 8-) |
| | 2006/1/29 10:32 | |
| | Re: BILL GAITHER AND GAYS A NEW LOW IN THE JUDGE NOT PHILOSOPHY | | Quote:
Never knew he was 9 sorry!
I think you might be forgetting the power differential between a child and a teen or an adult. It may have nothing to do with 'moral choice', although the commonest cause of children leaving home while still children (running away), is sexual abuse. Quote:
Neither of these verses gives a certain age at which moral agency begins.
This is a complex subject, but I could just point out that in most situations, the older party is expected to be exercising the moral choice which is of most benefit to the [i]younger party[/i] because there is an old-fashioned idea around that if he or she is older, he or she [i][b]knows better[/b][/i].
This convention is used all the time by families the world over; and when the abused child becomes old enough to take responsibility for walking away from [u]care-givers[/u] who offer abuse under the guise of 'good for you' - when really what the abuser means is it was good for [u]them[/u] (the abuser) - then that poor kid is in no shape to be given any more guilt for not having walked away sooner. Can you see that? |
| | 2006/1/29 10:33 | |
| | Re: BILL GAITHER AND GAYS A NEW LOW IN THE JUDGE NOT PHILOSOPHY | | Quote:
I do not doubt that I am the only one coming to this site with this issue,
Bro... I think you meant the opposite... surely.... that you are [i]not[/i] the only one coming to this site .... ? (although others may prefer to keep quiet, understandably).
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| | 2006/1/29 10:42 | |
| | Re: thanks for the correction | | Dorcas, thanks for the correction. Before I sent that post, I looked at that sentence it didn't look right, but at the same time I didn't know how to change it because it 'looked' ok. So yes that is exactly what I meant. Thanks Sis.
Note: I made the necessary corrections. |
| | 2006/1/29 11:42 | | crsschk
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Neilgin my precious brother there is no need to apologize
Neil did indeed need to apologize. It is this unnecessary sarcasm, cynicism and bombastic attitude that has you on your last remaining breath here.
LS,
God bless your courage and to be willing to suffer for His sake. Your experience, your words and your right understanding speak volumes. Could wish to God that we all might be in true prayer for you brother, I will commit to this.
You are also correct in not being the only one that has come here with this matter. There are others who have had a whole range of sins and been brought out of the depravity of their now past life. There is another similar realm that might shock some to know of all the past details of things done while being caught up in the maze of drug addiction, pornography and just what that can lead to. I am speaking from experience. A large part of the problem has already been adequately addressed rightly in a mis-attempt to declassify depravity into segments or 'classes'. One disease plagues the hearts of men. Sin. Period.
[i]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.[/i]
1Co 6:9-11
Agree wholeheartedly with MC here and think a lot of these things suffer from far too much rhetoric when the issues are plain and known. They are difficult, extremely difficult and yet we know that we must still choose to die to [i]all[/i] sin, whatever form it takes. What can be quite incredulous and maybe a similar marvel is the heart issues that get slighted when it was those that the Lord was always pressing and cutting straight to; Bitterness and lying, hypocrisy, duplicity, bearing false witness, pride...
At the very same time the issue here with the Gaithers and from what can be gleaned of what was [i]said[/i] at least of Lowery and his statement that he did indeed understand and this quote;
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While I stammered (I am SO dumb around famous people), Bill and Gloria Gaither came over and Bill said how much he loved my song, and appreciated [b]my ministry[/b] today, too. Gloria thanked me for it. I was not sure Bill knew what he was saying, but we got pictures and it was time to go back out for the rest of the concert.
There is really one issue there, that this idea is affronted that the opposite extreme is to be accepted where it cannot be. That everything needs to be turned upside down on it's head in these days and accepted. Most of us know what the matter is and how we ought to be dealing with it and believe that this is only going to get much worse in the days ahead in many different ways if the church doesn't return to the Truth and to it's foundations. There is a plethora of 'ministries' out there that are attempting to rewrite Christian History let alone what Christianity [i]is[/i], merging mans rationale and misunderstanding of who Jesus is, why He came and what He accomplished, not to mention the cost requirement of following Him.
Would you believe there is actually a "Christians for Cannabis" 'ministry'? To say I didn't find a bit of a problem with this after the mighty battle of surrendering and still living with loved ones bound up in it, the drug that is...
We all have items that we must die to. Things that we must suffer in and through. Misunderstandings and misconceptions even the [i]why[/i] we are willing to do so is enough to confound the unconverted, sometimes even the converted. Some of our own choosing, carry overs that have been embedded deeply and can take just as long to root out. Surely the Lord in His choosing can dismiss them in instant and just as well His reasons for allowing others to continue to carry their own personal cross are for His reasons that we may never be privy to though they can often be revealed in developing character, namely [i]His[/i]. Others, like this LS, yours, the things that happened ... I have no words for, I can only weep for...
Yet for all that, what a testimony you are to the Lord regardless. Your willingness, your courage despite it all, to be counted worthy to suffer for His sake, dear brother there is no greater honor. His character shows through.
Had shared this with another brother here and the sentiment as well as the action is exacting in how we might approach these things;
[url=http://www.promisekeepers.org/news_20060116a]Why . . . Become Slaves Once More?[/url]
(not wholly in agreement with much of this ministry but it is all rather besides the point)
Rom 12:15 [i]Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep[/i].
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| | 2006/1/29 13:23 | Profile |
| | Re: Loveslave | | I will apologize again, and beg your forgiveness.
I'm sorry my brother. |
| | 2006/1/29 15:08 | | lastblast
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No wonder by and large I cannot find Chritianity effectively winning homosexuals to Christ. What I do find is endless homosexual tirades from this end, clear to the ACLU types trying to shove it down our throats. I find both nearly as disturbing. Mostly, and sadly so much of it is just an aversion. The Church is now largely silent concerning heterosexual fornication,adultery, remarriage, divorce. No one wants to rock the boat, so let's scream at the homosexuals instead.
exactly......and I can never seem to get over this hypocrisy in the church. Again, I will post this writing for consideration/pondering. It wasn't the homosexuals who "opened the door" to all the sexual sin and family destruction we are now witnessing. Church sanctioned adultery is what opened the door wide..........and most of the church remains SILENT (don't want to ruffle any feathers, do we?) The problem is that the numbers of this form of adultery are growing at a rapid pace, destroying more and more families. Yell and scream as we may about the homosexual agenda, but there is no comparison concerning which one is destroying more families.
http://newark.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/assay49.html
In the Lord Jesus Christ, Cindy
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| | 2006/1/29 15:50 | Profile | Compton
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Yell and scream as we may about the homosexual agenda, but there is no comparison concerning which one is destroying more families.
I am sorry to have to agree on this point. (I'm sometimes slow to see the forest for the trees...)
In fact, I would suggest that increasing acceptance of homosexuality within society, as well as the church is only an inevitable extension of the tidal wave of sexual promiscuity flooding the chuch. I try to avoid broad brushstrokes, but in this case there seems to be a universal rise in the water level of impurity within the ranks of Christians. This impurity, ranging from familial abuse to rank moral laziness is causing people to wonder...why do "heteros" get to have their cake?
A few years ago I might have said this was in isolated pockets...but lately it seems that many of the mighty spiritual oaks in my own circles are really rotted within and falling suddenly without warning. This "deforestation" of seemingly mature trees is showing me that many of us are not planted by the waters; we are not finding all our suffiency in God. We are deceiving others with pathological confessions of Christ...deep down inside we are still hungry for other gods.
I am so sorry for how lustful we have become...and how dishonest we have remained about it.
MC
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| | 2006/1/29 17:12 | Profile |
| | Re: Rotten Trees | | Compton Said:
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but lately it seems that many of the mighty spiritual oaks in my own circles are really rotted within and falling suddenly without warning.
Very true!
I remember a few years ago when I was seeking a "partner". The idea, the thought, the fantasy of the whole things was wonderful. But the reality was that I answered an AD in the paper, and I couldn't believe who I was talking to. This guy was the father of the Assistant Pastor's wife at our local Assemblies of God pentecostal church. I spoke with him over the phone for over an hour and told me about the holy Spirit, him going to bible college and getting into the minstry, and here he was openly declaring his lifestyle and when I saw him he was open an "flame". Before I met up with him the Holy Spirit already told me NOT to go any further with this, and I didn't I told him that I couldn't go with him or start any kind of relationship. I can go so far, but when the LORD says "stop", I get scared.
Here was a guy that was still in the church, holding some title, I learned later that this church was a haven for homosexual activity. I was shocked, we had revivals in that church for goodness sake.
It was disheartening to say the least, I felt refreshed when I obeyed the LORD and He gave me a sense of purpose in that I didn't need a "partner" I have Jesus. But you know how things go, that lasts for a little while then your looking again because that loneliness creeps up on a person.
I do thank God that a new Pastor has taken over that church, the assistant pastor is no longer there and I am told that the movement there and the messages are similiar to what David Wilkerson preaches. And I was also told that many have left other churches to go there because of the fresh wind that has been blowing.
So yes there is rot, and let it rot.
Ecclesiastes 11:3 If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.
The great thing about rotten trees is that they make great fertilizer for new seedlings. |
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