Sister Diane wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

SISTER dorcas wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

Diane and all,
Praise God. This thread is such a blessing to me. I've been weakly attempting to explain this truth to some folks in another forum who love the PDC and PDL. It has become like an idol to them. They defend it with fire in their eyes. Thank God they dont' have a gun in their hands that is loaded.
I posted a link to this thread there. Please pray with me that one or two may come here and see for themselves how deceptive this all is.
A good book on this subject is: "Deceived on Purpose" by Warren Smith.

God bless all of you and please keep up the good rendering of what God is speaking in your hearts. Alleluia.

Thanks for that link, I was also astonished to see some of the "new age" links in PDL.

I was just on purposedrivenlife.com and found this on Rick Warren's page:

Rick Warren is well-known as the pioneer of the Purpose-Driven paradigm for church health. More than 250,000 pastors and church leaders from over 125 countries have attended Purpose-Driven Church seminars in 18 languages. Peter Drucker calls Rick "the inventor of perpetual revival."

Yikes!

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Ryan Couch

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Diane

Diane,

I agree with you on the need for wisdom on "where our foot shall tread", even online! These very "sensitive" issues require an even greater discernment on our part on how, when, and with what to respond.

I was just talking with a friend over lunch who was lamenting over visiting a service over the weekend that featured a very "man-centered", "seeker-sensitive" message. We all know the feeling we get when we are in that situation, usually one of anger, frustration, zeal, etc.

But as we were talking, we started thinking that those situations, and even this PDL one, are perfect oppurtunities for the Lord to put us in as a test to see how we will respond. Will we ask Him for His heart for the situation, or just rant and rave in our own minds, however correct we may be in our assessment?

Right now it seems "pretty easy" to identify false teaching or deception in many cases, but as times moves along, I have reason to believe from the scriptures that it will be harder and harder to distinguish the truth from the lie. If we ourselves aren't cultivating the Lord's heart within us in these "obvious" situations, how will we know what to think or what path to take when the deception grows increasingly subtle?

We must cry "Lord, what is Your heart for this church, this situation, this deceived person (people)!?" I think if we did have His heart, we'd have one of great grief over the deception. Then, identifying with Jesus' heart as His friend (like Moses), I believe He will tell us in each and every situation what an appropriate response should be, whether it be silent prayer or a confrontation in Word.

This seems to have been Jesus' heart, who only did "what [He] saw [His] Father doing". May we come to that place as well!

Otherwise, I know that I will not be able to confront "sensitive" issues like the PDL one with wisdom, Lord knows I've picked the wrong battles and times before!

I've always had a suspect feeling about the whole PDL movement, and this new book puts words to what I've been feeling for awhile.

Lord give us wisdom on how to appropriately respond in Your Heart and Your Word in and out of season faithfully!

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Ryan Couch

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Zeke Oosthuis

[b][color=000099]What is a genuine God-given blessing to one is an idol to another.[/color][/b]
So, that's why we need divine enlightenment when dealing with these volitile situations. Perhaps learning to discern and hear God will keep us from reacting inappropriately and harmfully.
Diane

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Diane

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Zeke Oosthuis

"Rick Warren is well-known as the pioneer of the Purpose-Driven paradigm for church health. More than 250,000 pastors and church leaders from over 125 countries have attended Purpose-Driven Church seminars in 18 languages. Peter Drucker calls Rick "the inventor of perpetual revival."

Zeko,
If the above paragraph does not make the hair stand up on the back of your neck, nothing will. First of all, Jesus Christ, not Rick Warren is the author and finisher of our faith. He alone is responsible for it's health. Mr. Warren and his following are not in revival, never have been as I understand revival. The Holy Spirit has always been the one who pioneers that kind of moving of God. Yes He uses man...sometimes. But I assure you, the Holy Spirit is not using this man.

I'll give you an example. Rick Warren, by his own admission, uses a so called bible translation called "the Message". In the Gospel of Luke we read the all familiar Lord's Prayer. In the Lord's Prayer, Jesus says, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". In "the Message", it says, "as above, so below". This term is widely used in New Age literature and propaganda. Anyone with a background in the new age movement would easily recognize this term. Does that speak anything to you sir? Can the true Word of God be homoginized with the New Age movement?

Now I trust you are sincere. I can only admonish you as Paul did, speaking of the Bereans in Acts 17:11. Search the Sciptures daily to see if these things be so.

Many of those who defend Rick Warren also defend the NIV. The word "blood" has been eliminated 41 times in the NIV as compared to most other translations. Why is that, Zeko? It's because without the shedding of Blood, there can be no forgivesness of sins. There is only one who is behind all of this, his name is satan. He is a deceiver. For him to be able to deceive, someone has to believe what he says. Well, Zeko, it's not just a someone, sir. It's millions of souls who may very well split hell wide open if someone does not stand up and speak the truth in love.

Finally, I don't have a title, nor am I seeking anyone to bestow one upon me. I am a christian, saved by unmerited favor through faith in Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That's it. Thank God.