Most of everyone on SI knows that I have leaned towards post trib but I’ve silently been watching this thread on and off and now I've begun to wonder if we ALL don’t have it wrong.

The Word of God speaks only only of one return of Christ whether we like it or not. And it is only we (human beings), who are fussing about when that is – the Word of God changes not but we all are like ants scouring here and there trying to defend what "we" think the word of God says instead of what it actually does say.

I pray that you will never see me on here again defending post trib or ANY kind of trib because anymore I honestly believe that these different beliefs are just distractions from the enemy to keep us from ministering to the orphans and the widows in their need and to keep ourselves unspotted from the world.

Brothers and sisters in the Lord, I beseech you that we need to get lined up with the Word of God instead of buttressing our OWN opinions to give our flesh confidence over confidence in the Word of the living God.

Paul said, “I count EVERYTHING as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as RUBBISH, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.” Philippians 3.8-11

Submitted in love.
To God be all the Glory,

Lisa

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Lisa

HI Lysa,

This is not a contentious thread, not sure casting it in that light is helpful or constructive. It is true that most on this site is Post Trib. It is also true that 80% of the Christian world is not. It is perhaps true that this is a reflection of the state of Christianity that they would choose to believe in a doctrie that whisks them away before they have to go through any tribulation.

Always be ready to give an answer for what you believe sister, and speak the truth in love, in that we cannot go wrong, we can be wrong and none of us have a perfect theology, but our hearts will be right before the living God..........brother Frank

PS I could care less about proving a theology to men, gave that up and only rarely comment on SI anymore.

Hi Appolus,
For me all I wanted to highlight was said more elequently by the previous christian Alreadymind when he said this,

"I love Ten Booms writings, but the notion that someone is more "theologically" correct because they have suffered is not really a biblical notion. Hebrews eleven shows a list of some who suffered and some who won victories unto glory. All were included, however, in the hall of faith, as we are so fond of calling it. We need to always be content in whatever state God has placed us in. "

I do except the point that people like Corrie are to be taken and listened to seriously because she walked the walk and talked the talk.

The fact the theology was about the rapture was only a side event.In response to mr darby and schofield,I have heard that claim disputed.My view point is mid seven year period of which their is alot of scriptural evidence.
yours staff

Staff writes.......

"Hi Appolus,
For me all I wanted to highlight was said more elequently by the previous christian Alreadymind when he said this,"

I know that brother, and I appreciate the points that you have made. It was definately Darby and Schofield that propogated this new doctrine of a pre-trib-rap. Everything can be disputed :) God bless you Staff........ brother Frank

Hi staff...

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Lisa

Sister you have nothing to apologize for.

Lysa you wrote.......

"Also, I’m sorry you don’t recommend SI to anyone anymore"

Hmmmm, no, I did not write that sister. Please take the time to read what I actually wrote, thats a harmful statement to make. What I did say was that I rarely comment on SI anymore because of excatly what you were saying this thread was, contentious.......... brother Frank

To Martyr and Appolus.

I also wanted to emphasize that I too am greatly impacted by those who have suffered, and am very aware of their contribution to the body as well I am also very informed on the doctrines concerning suffering. I also am just as much concerned with "holding forth the word of life..." as Paul admonished us in Philippians.

I have been trying to think for a few days about a reconciling statement to merge your concerns and mine as well, and here is a shot at it.

Believers who have suffered physical persecution in the name of Christ have displayed the luminance of Christ in a unique way. The truth has often been verified in them in a way that many of us may never experience. However, this does not make the truth more true than it already objectively is, it does however tend to verify it in a radical way. I also would say though that there are many other ways beside the physical persecution in which taking up our cross manifests itself. There are many who have authority in the body whom we all greatly appreciate here who never suffered persecution because they suffered in other ways. They suffered tears of intercession, not enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season, subjecting all their life and time to the kingdom through faith in whatever measure they were given, and in many other ways. These also make them authoritative to me, not to mention the requisites for eldership found in the Pastoral Epistles.

I like what Art Katz said about it once, "Crisis reveals, and absolute crisis reveals absolutely." I suspect that I am one who at times reveals a major lack of authenticity under severe circumstantial shakings...I am in serious prayer about this myself lately. I long to suffer in the body for Christ, but when it comes to just suffering through the nominal grind of life, I fail so miserably. So I have no place to talk.

There are many people in the world who suffer for what they believe, and I think one of the greatest tragedies is the willingness to suffer for a lie. Could you imagine dieing a martyr's death for something that is not eternal in value...what a tragedy!

Please forgive my tangent on this post to the OP.

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Lisa