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 CHARISMA- "QUESTIONS About LAKELAND"


[b]HONEST QUESTIONS ABOUT the LAKELAND REVIVAL[/b]
[i]by J. Lee Grady [CHARISMA EDITOR][/i]

I support any holy outbreak of revival fervor. But let’s be careful to
guard ourselves from pride and error.

God is stirring deep spiritual passion in the hearts of the thousands
of people who have traveled to Florida during the last month to
experience the Lakeland Healing Revival. Since these meetings
began in a 700-seat church on April 2, the crowd has moved four
times to bigger venues, the fervor has intensified and the news
has spread worldwide—thanks to God TV and online broadcasting.

Within a few weeks, the bandwagon effect was in full swing. It’s
safe to say that no outbreak of Pentecostalism in history has
gained so much international exposure so quickly as these
meetings have.

I’m a cheerleader for the charismatic movement, so I rejoiced
when I heard the news about revivalist Todd Bentley’s extended
visit to Ignited Church. It was thrilling to hear the reports of
miracles and to watch the crowd grow until a stadium was
required to hold everyone.

When I visited a service on April 15, I was blessed by Heather
Clark’s music and the audience’s exuberant worship. And I
laughed with everyone else as I watched Bentley shout his
trademarked “Bam! Bam! Bam!” as he prayed for the sick and
flailed his tattooed arms over the crowd. Hey, Jesus didn’t pray for
people according to the Pharisees’ rulebook, so I’m open to
unconventional methods.

But I would be dishonest if I told you that I wholeheartedly
embraced what I saw in Lakeland. Something disturbed me, but I
kept my mouth shut for three weeks while I prayed, got counsel
from respected ministry leaders and searched my heart to make
sure I was not harboring a religious spirit. The last thing we need
today is more mean-spirited heresy hunters blasting other Christians.

I am not a heresy hunter, and I support what is happening in
Lakeland because I know God uses imperfect people (like me and
you) to reach others for Jesus. At the same time, I believe my
questions are honest and my concerns are real.

My motive is not to criticize Bentley or the pastor who is
sponsoring these meetings, Stephen Strader. In September 2002
Charisma featured a seven-page article about Bentley’s amazing
conversion from drug addiction. I believe Bentley is a sincere
brother who wants people to encounter God’s presence and power.
No doubt this 32-year-old evangelist needs our prayers now more
than ever, especially since he has become the focus of
international media attention.

But as the noise from Lakeland grows louder and its influence
spreads, I’m issuing some words of warning that apply to all of us,
not just the folks in Lakeland. I hope everyone understands that
these cautions are offered in love:

1. Beware of strange fire.The name of Jesus is being lifted up in
the Lakeland revival, and three people came to the altar for
salvation the night I attended. Larger numbers have come to the
front of the auditorium to find Christ every night since then.

Yet I fear another message is also being preached subtly in
Lakeland—a message that cult-watchers would describe as a
spiritual counterfeit. Bentley is one of several charismatic
ministers who have emphasized angels in the last several years.
He has taught about angels who bring financial breakthroughs or
revelations, and he sometimes refers to an angel named Emma
who supposedly played a role in initiating a prophetic movement in
Kansas City in the 1980s. Bentley describes Emma as a woman
in a flowing white dress who floats a few feet off the floor.

All of us who believe the Bible know that angels are real, and that
they work on our behalf to protect us and minister to us. But the
apostle Paul, who had encounters with angels himself, issued
stern warnings to the Corinthians, the Galatians and the
Colossians about angels who preach another gospel or that
demand attention. In Colossae, believers were so enamored with
angels they had seen in visions that they became “inflated without
cause” by spiritual pride (Col. 2:18, NASB). Paul was adamant
that preoccupation with angels can lead to serious deception.

We need to tread carefully here! We have no business teaching
God’s people to commune with angels or to seek revelations from
them. And if any revival movement—no matter how exciting or
passionate—mixes the gospel of Jesus with this strange fire, the
results could be devastating. We need to remember that
Mormonism was born out of one man’s encounter with a dark
angel who claimed to speak for God.

2. Beware of bizarre manifestations.When the Holy Spirit’s power
comes on people they may feel weak or even fall. The Spirit’s
power can also cause people to tremble, shake, laugh or cry.
Such manifestations are biblical and we should leave room for
them. But where do we draw the line between legitimate
experience and fanatical excess?

The apostle Paul had to deal with outrageous charismatic
manifestations in the Corinthian church. People were acting like
raving lunatics—and turning the church in to a free-for-all of
unbridled ecstatic behavior. Paul called for discipline and order,
and he reminded early Christians that “the spirits of prophets are
subject to prophets” (1 Cor. 14:32). In other words, Paul was
saying that no one under the influence of the Holy Spirit should
act out of control.

In many recent charismatic revivals, ministers have allowed people
to behave like epileptics on stage—and they have attributed their
attention-getting antics to the Holy Spirit. We may think it’s all in
fun (you know, we’re just “acting crazy” for God) but we should be
more concerned that such behavior feeds carnality and grieves the Spirit.

When exotic manifestations are encouraged, people can actually
get a religious high from jerking, vibrating, screaming or acting
intoxicated. (I have even been around people who writhed as if in
pain, or made sexual noises—thinking this was a legitimate
spiritual experience.) But emotional euphoria doesn’t guarantee a
heart change. The person who is bucking like an untamed bronco
in a church service would benefit more from sitting still and reading
the Bible for an hour. When we put bizarre behavior on the platform
we imply that it is normative. Thus more strange fire is allowed to spread..

3. Beware of hype and exaggeration.Our hearts are crying out
today for a genuine move of God. We want the real deal. We’ve
read about the Great Awakenings of the past and we long to see
our nation overcome by a wave of repentance. The church is in a
backslidden state, and our nation has rebelled against God. We
are desperate!

In our longing for a holy visitation, however, we must be careful not
to call the first faint breeze of the Spirit a full-fledged revival. If we do
that, we are setting people up for disappointment when they realize it may not
be what we blew it up to be.

Some of the language used during the Lakeland Revival has
created an almost sideshow atmosphere. People are invited to
“Come and get some.” Miracles are supposedly “popping like
popcorn.” Organizers tout it as the greatest revival in history.

Such brash statements cheapen what the Holy Spirit is doing—
and they do a disservice to our brothers and sisters who are
experiencing New Testament-style revival in countries such as Iran,
China and India. We have a long way to go before we experience
their level of revival. Let’s stay humble and broken before the Lord.

I am rejoicing over all the reported healings at the Lakeland
meetings. Miracles are awesome. Crowds are great. But miracles
and crowds alone don’t guarantee a revival. Multitudes followed
Jesus during His ministry on earth, but many of the people who
saw the dead raised or ate food that was supernaturally multiplied
later crucified the Son of God.

It was the few disciples who followed Jesus after Calvary who
ushered in a true revival—one that was bathed in the fear of God,
confirmed by signs and wonders, tempered by persecution and
evidenced by thousands of conversions, new churches and the
transformation of society. We should expect nothing less.
-J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.


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 2008/5/15 13:19Profile









 Re: CHARISMA- "QUESTIONS About LAKELAND"

Wow... when Charisma magazine starts to use discernment and questioning... you [b]know[/b] there's a problem!

Krispy

 2008/5/15 13:31
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Wow... when Charisma magazine starts to use discernment and questioning... you know there's a problem!


Yes. They just featured the Lakeland movement on the front page and now the next issue they are bashing it kindly!


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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Wow... when Charisma magazine starts to use discernment and questioning... you [b]know[/b] there's a problem!

Krispy



Man Krispy aren't you glad God gave us His Word and the Spirit to understand it.

I haven't read about EMMA. I have read about Michael and Gabriel though.
moe

 2008/5/15 13:40
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yeah this is a amazing. I have never heard of the charisma magazine saying something like this. I remembered what Jesus said in matthew 24 in the opening lines when he said. Make sure no one deceives you for many will come in my name saying I am the christ. I thank God for this site and brothers and sisters like yourself. May God bless you all


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 2008/5/15 14:14Profile









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Well we've been praying for some discernment for people concerning this. I thank God that we have some encouragement here. Let's keep on praying for our brother that they will be plucked out of this pit!!!

 2008/5/15 14:19
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Lee Grady's article in Charisma magazine is the most balanced article that I have read on this website on the subject. He is proving all things and holding fast to that which is good. That is the problem with Andrew Strom and many heresy hunters. They only see what is wrong with people and movements, and they fail to see the good. I would say that the ones that have been saved and healed at these meetings would not agree with many of the criticisms of Todd Bentley.

I agree with Coley that we ought to keep praying for our brother in the areas where he is deceived. None of us are beyond deception, and if we think that we are then we are already deceived.

May the Holy Spirit lead us into all truth and give us discernment, and may we be delivered from a critical faultfinding spirit.


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 Re: CHARISMA- "QUESTIONS About LAKELAND"

Act 13:27 "For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him.


So today we have many who dont hear, and to say there is some good in it is like say there is some good in cancer to.

[i].....Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [/i] 1Co 5:6


Everyone need flee from this counterfeit revival


[i]Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.[/i]

Joh 12:35


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 2008/5/15 15:40Profile









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That is the problem with Andrew Strom and many heresy hunters. They only see what is wrong with people and movements, and they fail to see the good.



Wellll... thats kinda like looking for something eat in a dumpster behind a McDonalds. Sure, you might find a pickles thats ok to eat, but you have to immerse yourself in the garbage to get to it.

You do not understand what scripture is saying when it says to "hold fast to that which is good". God is [b]not[/b] telling us that we should ignore gross heresy, and look for the good in everything.

In fact, scripture [b]commands[/b] us to "mark and avoid" false teachers. Check it out:

[b]Romans 16:17[/b] [i]Now I beseech you, brethren, [b]mark them[/b] which cause divisions and offenses [b]contrary to the doctrine[/b] which ye have learned; and [b]avoid them[/b].[/i]

It doesnt say "read their books and gleen the good stuff...", or another favorite among some, "eat the meat and spit out the bones".

No, scripture NEVER one time makes that suggestion. Scripture is clear to mark and avoid those who are teaching heresy. Scripture is repleat with references of being seperated unto God... and thats not just seperate from what we consider the world to be, but also to seperate ourselves from those who teach heresies.

[b]2 John 1:10-11[/b] [i]If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.[/i]

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I would say that the ones that have been saved and healed at these meetings would not agree with many of the criticisms of Todd Bentley.



I dont know that anyone has truly been healed... where is the medical evidence? So far there are no medically documented healings.

And as for those who have been saved... truly saved... they couldnt possibly be mature enough in the Lord, or knowledgable of scripture to know whether this "event" is of God or not. It's rediculous to assert that they would be.

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may we be delivered from a critical faultfinding spirit.



Funny... Paul went after the false teachers of his time with much tenacity, and even named their names for all people to read for 2,000 years. I guess in your book Paul had a critical faultfinding spirit? I beg to differ... the Spirit he had was the Holy Spirit, and the words Paul wrote were the Holy Spirits.

Paul set the example for how we are to handle false teachings and teachers... and it wasnt the way you suggest. Your way is spiritually naive and dangerous.

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 2008/5/15 15:49









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KrispyKrittr wrote:

Wellll... thats kinda like looking for something eat in a dumpster behind a McDonalds. Sure, you might find a pickles thats ok to eat, but you have to immerse yourself in the garbage to get to it.
Krispy



Watch it now, if you get off on someone getting into the McDonalds dumpster for a pickle, I may have make a post about McDonalds trying to become a dumpster. I may go off about those PINK arches they have in their COMPANY plans and GO OFF ON them giving money to the homosexual movement, you know how I am about getting off the thread Krispy. 8-)

 2008/5/15 16:08





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