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Is the Bible History or Myth?
Ernest O'Neill

Ernest W. O’Neill (1934 - 2015). Irish-American pastor and author born in Belfast, Northern Ireland, into a working-class family. Educated at Queen’s University (B.A., English Literature), Stranmillis Training College (teaching diploma), and Edgehill Theological Seminary (theology degree), he taught English at Methodist College before ordination in the Methodist Church in 1960. Serving churches in Ireland and London, he moved to the U.S. in 1963, pastoring Methodist congregations in Minneapolis and teaching at a Christian Brothers’ school. In 1970, he founded Campus Church near the University of Minnesota, a non-denominational ministry emphasizing the intellectual and spiritual reality of Christ, which grew to include communal living and businesses like Christian Corp International. O’Neill authored books like Becoming Christlike, focusing on dying to self and Holy Spirit empowerment. Married to Irene, a psychologist, they had no children. His preaching, rooted in Wesleyan holiness, stirred thousands but faced criticism for controversial sermons in 1980 and alleged financial misconduct after Campus Church dissolved in 1985. O’Neill later ministered in Raleigh, North Carolina, leaving a mixed legacy of spiritual zeal and debate. His words, “Real faith is living as if God’s promises are already fulfilled,” reflect his call to radical trust.
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In this sermon, the speaker emphasizes the importance of the Bible as a record of the actions and words of the creator of the universe. The speaker highlights the significance of studying the Bible to truly know and understand God. They provide examples from the Bible, such as the Israelites' time in Egypt and the laws given to Moses, to demonstrate the historical accuracy and relevance of the Bible. The speaker also mentions the evidence of a cataclysmic flood and sedimentary rocks as further confirmation of the events described in the Bible. Additionally, the speaker mentions Jesus' prediction of his execution, resurrection, and return as another example of the Bible's accuracy.
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Last Sunday we tried to talk about the question, is there a God? And you probably remember the conclusion we came to that the existence of a God of some kind is the most plausible and the most satisfactory explanation of the existence of our world, the existence of ourselves. the order and design of the universe, and the presence in us of conscience and a sense of moral obligation to live better than we're doing. In other words, really, we came to the same conclusion. You remember as that great giant of our own age, Einstein, who said, my religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God. And we felt, yes, Einstein's right. If you let your mind work in an ordinary cause and effect kind of logical way, the way it normally operates in everyday life, then you'll conclude that there is a supreme being of some kind. And actually, most of us, I think, agree with that, loved ones. I think most people in the world really deep down feel the same way as, of all people, even Mousy Tung, you remember, in his conversation with Henry Kissinger. Most people feel, even like Mao, that there is somewhere a supreme being to whom we will have to give account after this life is over. Where we differ is what that supreme being is like. That's where we have trouble. Most of us believe there is a supreme being of some kind, but in a way, you must agree that's not the big issue. Because if that supreme being is a cruel tyrant, then that will greatly affect the way we live in this life. If that supreme being is a kindly father, that will affect greatly the way we live in this life. So the big issue is, not so much even is there a God, it's very hard to explain the universe apart from that. But the real question is, what is he like? What is the supreme being like? I'd ask you to look with me at some of the information that our forefathers, down through the centuries, have passed onto us about their experiences of the supreme being. Here's one that was written 900 BC. It's one of the most ancient books we have. And here is part of what this person says about the supreme being. Zeus now addressed the immortals. What a lamentable thing it is that men should blame the gods and regard us as the source of their troubles, when it is their own wickedness that brings them sufferings worse than any which destiny allots them. So that person obviously said 900 BC, God, Zeus, talks to some other gods and says, why do men blame us for all the misfortunes that they suffer? And he laments that fact. Do you know what your reaction is? You say, but wait a minute, that may be one of the oldest Greek books that we have available. It may have been written in 900 BC, but this is the Odyssey by Homer. And Homer was not describing anything real when he wrote this Odyssey. It's in fact a novel about the wanderings of Odysseus after the sack of Troy. And Homer certainly has taken a basic history, but he has then added to it myths and imaginary stories of all kinds. And certainly by reading Homer's Odyssey, you can find out what he and his contemporaries thought the Supreme Being was like. You can tell what his people and his friends thought, but you can't say that he was describing facts. All he was doing was giving his idea of what the Supreme Being might be like through the words of Odysseus. In other words, it's foolishness, you know, to take what is a novel and treat it as if it is actual fact. And of course, all we have here in books like Homer's Odyssey are the author's own imaginary ideas of what God is like. Well, let's go, loved ones, to another man then, who is not a novelist by any means. Buddha is the recognized leader of millions of people in the world today. Buddha, you remember, in 500 BC, had certain experiences. And those experiences are trusted by millions of people today as being authoritative accounts of what the creator of the world is like. And here, in fact, is the record of his first revelation in 500 BC. When the great seer had comprehended that where there is no ignorance whatever, there also the karma formations are stopped, then he had achieved a correct knowledge of all there is to be known. And he stood out in the world as a Buddha. He passed through the eight stages of transit insight and quickly reached their highest point. From the summit of the world downwards, he could detect no self anywhere. Like the fire, when its fuel was burned up, he became tranquil. He had reached perfection. And he thought to himself, this is the authentic way on which in the past so many great seers, who also knew all higher and all lower things, have traveled on to ultimate and real truth. And now I have obtained it. Now, you can see what Buddha thought about the supreme being behind the universe. Or can you? Well, you can't. Because he doesn't even mention him. Because Buddha actually hardly even believed that there was a supreme being. And most of his sermons are concerned not at all with the possibility or the existence of a supreme being, but they're concerned with a method of transcendental meditation by which one can psychically and psychologically escape from some of the disadvantages of this present world. In fact, loved ones, Buddha is not concerned with the supreme being. And his writings do not tell us anything about the supreme being. And Buddha's own method of salvation did not concern the supreme being at all. There is a further problem. The Buddhists do not have the same attitude to history as we have. And so it's very hard to find out what Buddha originally said in 500 BC, because for the next 1500 years, all kinds of people added to his words and added their own meditations. Until in the Tibetan version of the Buddhist scriptures, you have 325 different volumes. And so it's almost impossible to distinguish between what Buddha said and what all his followers over the next hundreds of years thought. Well, let's go to a book that does not have that problem. There is a book that was formed and settled as far as its extent is concerned shortly after the man received the revelations. And that's the Quran. Muhammad lived about 600 AD, you remember, about 600 years after Jesus. And here's the record of Muhammad's first revelation. According to Muslim tradition, one night in Ramadan, about the year 610, as he was asleep or in a trance, the angel Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, recite. He replied, what shall I recite? The order was repeated three times until the angel himself said, recite in the name of your Lord, the creator who created man from clots of blood. Recite, your Lord is the most bounteous one who by the pen has taught mankind things they do not know. When he awoke these words, we are told seemed to be inscribed upon his heart. And actually, if you read the Quran, you read that Muhammad says the creator of the world is merciful and forgiving, but he is also stern and righteous in his judgment. And that he demands faith in his servant Muhammad. But where did Muhammad get that information? Well, partly from what he knew of Christianity, because it had been in the world for 600 years by that time. Partly from what he knew of Judaism. And you remember he refers often to Abraham and to the early Jewish fathers, because it had been in the world for three or four thousand years before Muhammad. But otherwise, from his own personal, subjective, mystical experiences. That's where he gets his information. In other words, when Muhammad says the creator of the universe, I'll tell you what he's like. He's like this and this and this. Apart from Christianity and Judaism, the only other source Muhammad has for those revelations is his own personal, subjective, mystical experience, which actually no one can contradict, because no one was inside his mind but himself. But equally well, no one can confirm. Now, do you see that that's the place we're left when we begin to look for information on the creator of our universe? You really come to a place where you're stymied, you know. Because all you face is Homer, the Buddhist scriptures, the Koran, the Mormon scriptures, all kinds of writings by men who are speaking only from their own personal, subjective experience. In other words, it's like asking a person, what is the creator of the world like? And he says, well, I think he's like this. Well, you can't get hold of any hard evidence on him, you know. You can't get anybody who says, well, he did this and this and this and this, and here it is, now you observe for yourself. Somehow, we can't get any information on the actions and words of our creator so that we can tell what he's like ourselves. All we do is, we face opinions of other men and women. The tragedy is, of course, they're no different from ourselves. Muhammad was no different from the rest of us. He died like an ordinary man. He himself didn't claim to perform any miracles at all, didn't claim to be in any unique way related to the creator of the universe. The same with Buddha, the same with all the others, Zoroaster, Confucius. We're facing only men's own personal opinions and ideas of what the creator of the universe is like. Until you come to this book. I cannot express sufficiently to you how absolutely unlike all the other books this book is. The other books are subjective accounts of men's mystical visions. This book is a book of facts about the activities of our creator over thousands and thousands of years. That's the difference. I don't know if you really see it, you know, because if you haven't studied closely ancient books, you'll have a feeling, well, this is one like the others. No, this is a history book. Muhammad's Quran is the activities of himself during his lifetime and then of his own mystical visions. This book is almost a year by year, century by century commentary on the actual actions and words of the creator of the universe. Which, of course, is really the only way for one to know a person. I can tell you, do you know Jimmy Carter is like this and this and this? And you can say, well, that's your opinion. If I knew him as you knew him, maybe I'd feel the same way, but I don't. Until you see the man's actions or hear his words for yourself, then you can tell. This is a record of those actions and words. In other words, loved ones, you turn, if you would like, to Genesis 6, verse 13. That's the kind of information you get. Genesis 6, verse 13. You don't get an account of some man's vision or some man's opinion. You get an actual action. Genesis 6, verse 13. And when you look at it, what an action, you know. And God said to Noah, I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. And so there's God saying, in verse 17, you see, for behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh, in which is the breath of life from under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die. So it's not some little thing like, see the stone in front of you, I'll make it fall. Well, who can ever check up on that? But these are events like, I'll destroy the whole earth with a flood. And we, of course, keep tripping over the confirmation that that flood took place. Because our whole fossil record, which you know is living creatures and plants that seem to be frozen in the very middle of life, that's how the whole evolutionary table is built up. That very fact of fossils reinforces that whole truth. That at one time in our world, there was a cataclysmic catastrophe that suddenly caught an animal in the midst of swallowing some grass. And we actually can see the animal at that point. It's the kind of thing that would happen in a flood, in something that came suddenly. Everywhere we go in our universe, we see the sedimentary rocks. We see the layers of rocks that were affected by a great flood. So, the amazing thing about this book is, it tells us things that our Creator did that actually we can confirm by a study of the world itself. It talks about Him leading a whole people out of Egypt, through a wilderness for 40 years, and then into Canaan. We see by checking up on the Egyptian records, yes, they were there. They were slaves in Egypt. We see that nothing but miracles could keep a people alive for 40 years in that wilderness. Then we see that that people actually lives in that land today. And that that people practices the same laws that were given to them 3,000 years ago. In other words, this God says to Moses in 1440, Thou shalt not covet. Then Saul loses the throne and the kingdom because he coveted spoils in a war. Then in the first century of our era, Ananias and Sapphira are struck dead because they coveted the things that they had given to Jesus' church. So, what you find with this book is, it's an account over thousands and thousands of years of the Creator acting consistently in different situations in ways that we can confirm by studying other contemporary histories. It's things like this man Jesus who said, I'm going to be executed, then I'm going to go and be with my Father, and then after three days I'll come back. Now, that's not the kind of thing you say if you want to bluff people because it's too easy to show that He did not come back except that all history says He did come back. And He lived for 30 or 40 days here on this earth confirming that what He said about His Father is actually true. So, loved ones, when you come to this book, you come to facts, historical facts that you can check up on and you can confirm and you can look at your Creator for yourself and say, I said that to Adam. I said that to Moses. I said that to Abraham. I said that to Isaiah. Yeah, I see. He keeps coming through the same way. Yes, He is that kind of God. Not only He says, but He does. When He describes through Isaiah in 800 B.C. that His Son will be crucified and that they will part His garment among them. Then you come 900 years later and Jesus actually is crucified and the soldiers do actually gamble for His one garment. And so, even where you have visions in this book, you have them proven out. The prophecy comes true. Now, loved ones, it's just a different kind of book. It's a book of facts, not a book of personal subjective visions. You may say, well, yeah, but... I mean, the facts that are in this book, how do you know that they're the facts that actually occurred? And that is a problem. You can see that. Because these facts occurred thousands of years ago. I mean, you can see there was lots of time for all kinds of people to write up imaginary accounts of these facts, to make up their own stories of the facts. To mutilate the facts, to pervert them. Maybe they could take an ordinary man like Moses and they could make him seem to be a great leader. And you can see how easy it is to do that when you consider that the original accounts of the facts were written on manuscript material that was very destructible. And so the manuscripts were destroyed every maybe 50, 60 years and they had to be recopied. So you can see that it's difficult to tell whether somebody made a mistake in the copying or whether somebody changed it when they copied it. And it's the same, of course, with all ancient history. It's really a great problem. Most of them know Plato's Republic. Plato wrote his Republic in 400 B.C. But would you believe that the first manuscript we have of Plato's Republic is 900 A.D.? So there were 1,300 years elapsed there before we have a manuscript of Plato's Republic. Now obviously there were many manuscripts before then, but the only one that exists today in our world, all the rest have been destroyed, the only one that exists is 900 A.D. And it's the same with most of the ancient history, you know. You go to Caesar's Gallic Wars or you go to Homer, Homer's poetry. We believe Homer's poetry, which was written in 900 B.C. And the first manuscript, and the only manuscript we have earlier than 1,000 A.D. is one at 900 A.D. So it's about 1,800 years or 2,000 years after Homer wrote the poetry that we have a manuscript of it. And do you know how many manuscripts we have of Homer's poetry altogether? Two. Two manuscripts. And yet, of course, we don't question Homer's poetry. But you can see why even the history department of our own university regard anything up to 200 years after the event as eyewitness accounts. You can see that. Because ancient history is lamentable, really, in its documentary support. And yet, of course, we don't question it. So if you want to look, loved ones, there is a picture of some of the typical examples in our own literature today. You can see that Caesar's Gallic Wars, 55 B.C. And there are only nine manuscripts. And the first one is 900 years later than Caesar wrote his Gallic Wars. Then you see Livy's History, written in 20 B.C. And we have only 20 manuscripts of it. And the first one is 400 years after Livy wrote the history. Then Tacitus' History was written in 100 A.D. We have only two manuscripts. And the first one is 1,000 years after Tacitus wrote the history. Thucydides' History was written in 430 B.C. And there are only eight manuscripts. And the first one is 1,300 years later. Plato's Republic, four manuscripts 1,300 years after he wrote the book. Homer's Odyssey, written in 900 B.C., only two manuscripts. And the oldest one written 2,000 years later. Loved ones, what about the Bible? Well, it's just unbelievable. There it is. The New Testament was written from 40 to 100 A.D. We have 4,000 manuscripts of it. 4,000 different manuscripts. And the unbelievable thing is the earliest one was written 25 years after John's Gospel was completed. But do you see? 4,000 different manuscripts. In other words, if somebody wanted to change the history of the New Testament, he had to have a very large family who could travel into all kinds of hidden, concealed caves in the deserts because these manuscripts are found in all kinds of places right from the earliest days. And he had to have all his poor sons laboriously change the history so that it all agreed. The difficulty is when he died, he had to ensure that all his sons had children and grandchildren because these manuscripts continued to be found in all kinds of different places. Written in different styles of writing at different ages from the year about 100 A.D. or 125 A.D. to about the year 1,000 A.D. There are 4,000 different manuscripts. Ones like the Alexandrinus and the Sinaiticus. By the way, I'd appreciate, loved ones, if somebody will drop the screen and we'll all promise not to scream if you'll drop it to 45 degrees. The Alexandrinus and the Sinaiticus are in the British Museum. The Alexandrinus is a complete manuscript of the whole Bible and is 350 A.D. in age according to the Carbon 14 method which works within hundreds of years but not when you're talking about millions of years. And, of course, the style of the writing also is used to date them. And the Sinaiticus, just opposite to it in the corridor, is 450 A.D. Nothing corresponds in other ancient history to this kind of documentation. And the unbelievable thing is, of course, the manuscript that you can find in the museum in Manchester and it is just on its own completely. It's a scrap of John's Gospel which is exactly the same as the account of John 18 verses 31 through 33 in the bigger manuscripts. And it is dated by Carbon 14 and by style of writing at about 130-140 A.D. That is only about 30 or 40 years after John wrote the Gospel. And, of course, you can see the importance of that. That here you have an actual piece of writing that some people looked at who were actually contemporaries of the people who wrote the Bible. That's the kind of manuscript evidence you have. I think some of us may say, well, yes, that's impressive, but was the original record true? Well, you can see that one of the important ways of checking out if it is true is if you had people who were living while these people wrote the record. In other words, today is about 15 years, I think, after Kennedy's assassination. I think if one of you decided we'll write a history of Kennedy's assassination showing how LBJ actually killed Kennedy, then there are millions of us here who would say, no, no, it didn't happen that way. Some of us saw it, some of us were there, some of us know people who were there. No, we know that isn't true. And the book would immediately be looked upon as a fraud. Do you see that's the same situation you had in the first century? The records of Jesus' life were being circulated from 40 to 100 A.D. During that time there were hundreds of people alive who had actually seen these events themselves. All they had to do was say, no, Mark wrote all that, it isn't true. It isn't true. In fact, you have the opposite situation. You have people like Papias, who was born in about 60 A.D., and he writes and tells us of his conversations with the old white-haired John. And he tells what he discovered in those days. He said, the elder John used to say, Mark, having become Peter's interpreter, wrote accurately all that he remembered. And another man called Polycarp, who was born in 69 A.D., he knew John personally also, and yet lived well into the second century. And he said, Polycarp would describe his intercourse with John and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord, and how he would relate their words. And whatsoever things he had heard from them about the Lord, and about his miracles, and about his teaching, Polycarp, as having received them from eyewitnesses of the life of the Word, would relate it all together in accordance with the Scriptures. In other words, when John says, listen, we were eyewitnesses of these things, that's why you can trust us, you don't even have to just take his words, you can look up other history books of men that knew John, and that indicate that he lived in the first century, and that he observed the things that he observed. Of course, loved ones, the interesting thing is, you don't even have to trust just the New Testament itself. You can go to people like Tacitus. He was the foremost historian of Imperial Rome, and here's what he says. The author of the name Christians was Christ, who in the reign of Tiberius suffered punishment under his procurator, Pontius Pilate. Another man called Tertullian, who doesn't appear in the Bible at all, was involved with the government in their archives, and he said this, Tiberius accordingly, in whose days the Christian name made its entry into the world, having himself received intelligence from Palestine of events which had clearly shown the truth of Christ's divinity, brought the matter before the Senate, with his own decision in favor of Christ. The Senate, because it had not given the approval itself, rejected his approval. Caesar held his opinion, threatening wrath against all the accusers of the Christians. A man like Josephus, who was a Jew, and therefore really committed against Jesus, from the point of view of Christianity, writes, There was about this time Jesus a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works. A teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again on the third day. And so, all that is written by the men who knew Jesus himself in this book, is confirmed by hundreds of other histories that were written at the same time. And maybe the greatest reason for believing them is, did they grow rich? Did they grow prosperous and famous and live to a good old age, because of what they told about this man Jesus? No. If they had been content just to say he was a good teacher, that's what would have happened. But they insisted on saying that he was the son of God. And that's the thing that brought them on to the crucifixion hills and into the lion arenas. And loved ones, maybe the greatest argument for believing what these men said really happened, is that they suffered for what they talked about. They suffered. They did not gain from it. They suffered for it. Now, men will die for a thing that they think may be true. But nobody will die for what they know is a lie. And many of us, you know, in high school days used to say, well, maybe they imagined it, maybe they made the story up. Yes, but you won't die for something you make up. You'll only die for what you know is true. In other words, if you just allow your mind to work logically, it's very, very difficult to get away from the fact that this is the most reliable history book of ancient times that we possess. And that when you read this book, you are reading actual historical records of what our Creator has done over four thousand years of our existence. And that's why, loved ones, we believe that there is a God because we can see how He has dealt with us, human beings, over a period of four thousand years. And we believe that He is the Father of Jesus Christ. You yourself have to decide, of course. You have to decide if in the face of this kind of evidence, you can still reject the idea of a God. I think it's very difficult. But you see, the evidence is now in your hands, and you must decide. What I'd like to talk about next Sunday is whether we can actually tell any more about this God and whether we have actually seen Him alive in our world. Dear God, we are overwhelmed by the completeness of the evidence that You have left for us. Lord, it's very difficult to call black white. It's very difficult to reject all of ancient history in order to disprove biblical history. Lord, we thank You. All we can do is bow before You and say that our logical mind can only accept that You are real, and that You exist, and therefore that You can actually see us at this moment. Lord, we intend to live acknowledging You and beginning to get to know You and respect You. And now the grace of our Lord Jesus and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with each one of us now and evermore. Amen.
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Ernest W. O’Neill (1934 - 2015). Irish-American pastor and author born in Belfast, Northern Ireland, into a working-class family. Educated at Queen’s University (B.A., English Literature), Stranmillis Training College (teaching diploma), and Edgehill Theological Seminary (theology degree), he taught English at Methodist College before ordination in the Methodist Church in 1960. Serving churches in Ireland and London, he moved to the U.S. in 1963, pastoring Methodist congregations in Minneapolis and teaching at a Christian Brothers’ school. In 1970, he founded Campus Church near the University of Minnesota, a non-denominational ministry emphasizing the intellectual and spiritual reality of Christ, which grew to include communal living and businesses like Christian Corp International. O’Neill authored books like Becoming Christlike, focusing on dying to self and Holy Spirit empowerment. Married to Irene, a psychologist, they had no children. His preaching, rooted in Wesleyan holiness, stirred thousands but faced criticism for controversial sermons in 1980 and alleged financial misconduct after Campus Church dissolved in 1985. O’Neill later ministered in Raleigh, North Carolina, leaving a mixed legacy of spiritual zeal and debate. His words, “Real faith is living as if God’s promises are already fulfilled,” reflect his call to radical trust.