In this sermon transcript, Dr. Stan discusses the importance of reality over illusion or delusion in determining the future of Western civilization. He emphasizes that the views expressed are his own and not necessarily those of the station. The guest, Will Thomas, talks about his book "One Foot in Atlantis" and provides information on how to obtain a copy. The conversation also touches on the study of supernatural forces and the cautionary advice against engaging with dark forces.

Well, good evening, this is Dr. Stan here at Radio Liberty. Coming here from the hills, overlooking beautiful and picturesque Monterey Bay, and bringing you the news behind the news, the story behind the story. Hoping to convince you that reality is usually scoffed at, illusion is usually king. But in the battle for survival of Western civilization, it's going to be reality and not illusion or delusion that will determine what the future will bring. I need to remind you that the views that are expressed here are not those of the owners, management, staff, sponsors, or supporters of the station. They happen to be my views, the views of our guests, the views of our callers, and of course we always welcome your calls out there across America at 464-8295-1888-24Liberty. Now, you're going to have a hard time reaching it at 464-8295 if you're out across America, but if you can't get us there, call us at 1-888-24Liberty. And if you're here in the Central Coast, you can get us at 1-888-24Liberty, but better to call 464-8295. And with that complex explanation for a very simple matter, let me suggest that you don't give us a call for a little while, because you're going to be fascinated by our conversation this evening with William Henry and his book, One Foot in Atlantis. Now, we agree there's a problem. We may perhaps disagree on the solution, but that's what makes interesting talk radio. And I will tell you that this young man, he looks like a young man, the picture on the back of the book, at least he's a lot younger than I am, but he's done a lot of very heavy reading of cult literature, a well-referenced book, and of course it gets into the background, basically, of the original ideas that some people had when this country was founded. And that was that this would be the new Atlantis. Now, most people out in the listening audience probably aren't aware that Francis Bacon, who lived in the 1600s, was a leading occultist at that time. He lived in Great Britain. And of course, he was privy to the secrets of the ages. He believed that America, this new nation that was founded on the eastern coast of this northern hemisphere of America, he believed that this new nation that he envisioned here would become the new Atlantis and replace lost Atlantis. And that may sound pretty incredible to you, but there have been people who have believed in this entity, and they've been living here in America since shortly after the time when the Pilgrims landed here in North America about 1620. And you'll find that if you read Manly P. Hall's The Secret Destiny of America, he talks about how these people with this belief were here 150 years before the Revolutionary War, which would have made it 150 years, would have been about 1626, somewhere in there. But anyway, these ideas have been around for a long time. And then, of course, William carries that idea forward to the Second World War. What most people do not understand, everybody talks about Nazism, how could it have happened in a Christian country like Germany? But, of course, there were strong occult foundations in the beliefs of many of the German people. And although the country was predominantly Protestant, there were still many people there who really believed in the ancient myths of the Aryan people. So we're going to get into a lot of these fascinating things. William, how are you tonight? Doing very well, Dr. Stan. Thank you for having me on the program. It's good to be with you. Should I call you William? Should I call you Bill? What should I call you? Oh, William's fine. All right. Thank you. And, of course, the subtitle of the book, The Secret Occult History of World War II and its Impact on New Age Politics. And, of course, I thought that that was really fascinating. I had never heard of this fellow Roarick that was so close to Henry... Henry Wallace. Henry Wallace. I knew he was into theosophy, but I... Anyway, why don't you sort of pick up and let's start talking. Do you want to go back to the foundations of America? Do you want to get started with the Second World War? Why don't we talk just briefly about the foundations of America, since so much of what happened during World War II seemed to be a continuation of efforts of a seed planted so long ago. And it appears that Henry Wallace and Nicholas Roarick and FDR were a trio of three wise men, if you will, who were attempting to perpetuate what appears to be an ancient plan for the destiny of America. Well, of course, we know that certainly both Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Eleanor Roosevelt were deeply involved in the occult. Most people don't understand that, but that's nothing new. I mean, after all, we had Nancy Reagan going to her astrologer. We have Hillary Clinton inviting one of her friends to come to the White House to conjure up the spirits of Eleanor Roosevelt. And so these things have gone on all through the years. You're just not hearing about it. And so you're sort of lost. You don't understand the things that are going on in the world today. But there's a very real pattern, and it's been reenacted time and time again. So why don't we get your views of the foundation of America, and I'll give you mine. But I'd like your views on that. Yeah, I like to start, as you did, with Sir Francis Bacon. It all seems to stem from the publication of that work, The New Atlantis, which was published in 1626. As you mentioned, Bacon was part of the court of Queen Elizabeth, which also included such illustrious figures as Dr. John Dee, Sir Walter Raleigh, Francis Drake. These were people that were intimately interested in America, particularly the eastern seaboard. And they viewed America as this new land of destiny. Bacon believed that it was going to be on these shores that both a technologically and spiritually advanced civilization would arise, and a new golden age would be launched from these shores. Why don't you perhaps just briefly cover the myth of Lost Atlantis, this belief that has been around for many thousands of years about this ancient primitive civilization that was so highly advanced, a really tremendous, tremendous knowledge that then laid the basis of so much of the hidden knowledge and mystery knowledge of the ancient Egyptians, and perhaps even of the Babylonians. But do you want to touch on Lost Atlantis? Because it is such an important part of understanding the mythology, or at least the beliefs of these people. Right. It's Plato that's credited with being the father of that lontology. He was a Greek philosopher, of course, and it was a cousin of his that had retrieved the story of this lost continent of Atlantis while he had been visiting Egypt. And the idea was that sometime perhaps as many as 10,000 years ago, a massive cataclysm struck this civilization. It vanished literally into the waters of the night. But there were survivors. There were groups that had successfully found refuge in various places around the planet. The Himalayas are often mentioned, South America, in the region of the Andes, and even North America, as well as parts of Europe are mentioned as safe havens for these former Atlanteans. And the idea was that they were all going to come back together and regroup at some future point and revive the civilization of Atlantis. But of course, this was really supposedly a very, very advanced civilization with tremendous knowledge that isn't available even perhaps to many people today. Right. Much of what we know about the advanced state of Atlantean technology comes from the readings of the prophet Edgar Cayce in the 1950s. He did thousands of what he called or considered to be past life readings with people that claimed to have had lifetimes in Atlantis. And very many of them described advanced technology, airships, advanced medical technologies, this sort of thing, and that this was the core of the Atlantean civilization. And by the way, it was thought to be quartz crystal based, which for a long time seemed kind of like this very sort of new agey or nebulous kind of concept. But now I think we're getting greater understanding about that because all of our computer technology and radio television is quartz crystal based. And so now, of course, the idea was that Atlantis was destroyed by a cataclysmic event. Some people think it was a great flood or it simply sank into the ocean. Now, this is mythology. We don't know whether it ever existed or not, but there really are an awful lot of people out there who do believe in this. And of course, they would, I would say, fit into the more or less new age belief system. But it's been around for a long time. What you really must understand, if you're in the listening audience, is that many of the beliefs of many of our leaders today go right back to Plato's Republic, who believed we needed a world government ruled by a ruling elite. And why I was so fascinated by William's book was that it almost reads like my latest newsletter. And those of you who get the newsletter will find we actually go into the writings of Manly Bacon and point out that this was the belief system. It existed. It's not imaginary. These people, and there are many, many people today who go back, point to the idea of this wonderful civilization. And they really thought that America then would become the new Atlantis and lead the whole world into this wonderful civilization. Would that be a fair statement to make? That's precise. Absolutely. And of course, these ideas that Plato put forward in his Republic of the world government ruled by the oligarchy or by the so-called perfect ruler, the so-called just man, this too was the basis of so much of the belief system that is really in force today. So why don't you then carry this forward to the Second World War? Because leading up to the Second World War, of course, you have in Germany, Adolf Hitler, and in America, you have other people who are cultists. Hitler was an occultist, but most people don't understand that certainly Henry Wallace and Franklin Delano Roosevelt and many of the people who surrounded him were deeply involved with the occult as well. So why don't you pick this up? Because I was fascinated by your analysis of it. Right. I'd like to draw the distinction and make the comment that World War II, once we look at it from the occult point of view, and by the way, I think it's safe to say that all of history is occult minded, but historians are not. And this is one of the reasons why some of the things that we're discussing tonight are not widely known by certainly your average American, because when historians are confronted by evidence that their greatest leaders are as deeply steeped into the occult as they are, they have a tendency to turn a blind eye. For the most part, I think that is because they don't understand these occult concepts. And so therefore, they just dismiss them. And these ideas get swept under the rug. But how could you understand Adolf Hitler unless you understand his occult powers? That's exactly right. And so when asked, I mean, there's even biographers even today that are asked that question. I remember seeing one on Larry King that talked about why Hitler did what he did. And they give every reason except for the true reason he did what he did. And I think that's really why I was so intrigued with your book and the whole idea, because I've studied history. And of course, I think that sometime I'm going to write a book on the occult background of the First World War. But you've done a good job going into the Second World War. So why don't you go ahead and just pick up the story there from your point of view? Right. So what I was getting to is that World War II ends up being a holy war between two competing religious factions. Nazism was certainly a religion. And the idea was that you had Hitler on the one side and the Nazis were attempting to create the new Aryan Atlantis. All of German folklore, mythology is traced to the Atlantean ideal. And Hitler was a member of a literary society called the Thule Society or Thule Society that believed that they were in contact with certain survivors of the Atlantean cataclysm, that they were being fed sacred or ancient knowledge by these beings that were going to assist in the rise of the new Atlantis in Germany. This new Atlantis in Germany would be defined by a new Aryan master race. It would be defined by genetic singularity. Across the ocean here in America, you had the other vision of the new Atlantis, which was going to be a genetic melting pot. As is stated on the Statue of Liberty, give us your tired, your poor, we're hungry. We'll pull them all together and we'll create the new Atlantean ideal based upon diversity. And basically what we saw in World War II were the two sides lining up. But they were both occultic and that's what I think most people have really missed. And that's what I was just getting to. In Germany, you had Adolf Hitler proclaiming himself the new Germanic Messiah. And he was using a sort of inverted Book of Revelation. I mean, the thousand year Reich paralleled the thousand years of peace that appears in the Book of Revelation. When Christ comes and rules for a thousand years, and Adolf Hitler was going to have a thousand year Reich. And I think that's really, to me, I've known this many times, and yet I never saw the analogy between Adolf Hitler's belief, the Messiah comes, the thousand years of peace, the thousand year Reich, which he sold to the German people. And his stated goal was to create a second Adam, which is part of the goal of the Messiah, to create a new version of humanity, a new model of human. And of course, one of the interesting things you brought out, and of course I knew this from other sources, but that Winston Churchill had done everything within his power to keep anything about the occult foundations of the Nazis from being brought up in the Nuremberg trials, which is why most people in America have very little knowledge. We did have one fairly good coverage of this on one of the Discovery channels. It was called Hitler and the Occult, or the Third Reich and the Occult, something of the sort. But overall, most people do not understand the occult foundations of Nazism. And without that, there is no way to understand the Holocaust, there is no way to understand the total disregard for human life, this whole idea of breeding a special race of people. And of course, you get into Haushofer and Rosenberg and Hess, all of these people were deeply involved with the occult, weren't they? Yes, they were. And the stated goal of creating, supporting the new Messiah, Hitler, and also of creating this new model of human. The other person that was, of course, intimately involved was Heinrich Himmler. I like to say Himmler, of course, was the head of the SS, and I like to say that he put the SS in Hitler's messianic delusion. And of course, remember the uniform, the cap with the skull and crossbone on it. And you mentioned that he had a library with 12,000 occult books in it. That's right. A lot of people, listeners, may have seen the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, where Indiana was looking for the Holy Grail and he gets kidnapped by the Nazis and taken to this castle deep in the woods of Germany. And that was actually based on Himmler's SS headquarters, which was at Wurzburg, where Himmler had this astonishing occult library of many volumes that were all tracing German occult folklore, as well as techniques for creating this superior being that they were attempting to create based upon the model of the SS. Now, wasn't that the Last Crusade? That's right. The third movie in the Indiana Jones. And really what's so fascinating is, of course, the first one was the search for the Ark of the Covenant. The last one was the search for the Holy Grail. Right. But the thing is that the Nazis put tremendous significance in looking for the Holy Grail and for the Spear of Destiny, which was the Spear of Longismos, supposedly the spear that had pierced Christ's side. And they actually sent out teams looking for these things. They went down to look into the Cathars, which were a sect in the southern part of France. And why don't you sort of pick up these stories? Because most people don't understand that this was not imaginary. They even went over and they got themselves some Tibetan monks or something of the sort and brought them back to Germany. They were totally dedicated to the occult. And the fact that the average American has no idea of that reflects the degree of control that today exists over what the American people think. Yeah. I mean, it's just truly a travesty. And it's also one of the great ironies of the Nazi regime that they were searching so vehemently and expended so much energy into retrieving Hebrew and Jewish artifacts. Yet on the other hand, we have them perpetrating the Holocaust. And the reason that they were attempting to acquire these artifacts is that there is tremendous military power to be gained by retrieving the Ark of the Covenant. Well, almost a supernatural power that would give you the ability to conquer your enemies. That's absolutely true. And then the same thing. I mean, the Bible is loaded with stories of the Ark of the Covenant in use where it brings forward radiation. It can kill thousands of people at a time. And it also enables you to make contact or covenant with the creator being. Himmler was intimately interested in any of the ancient, especially what were thought to be pre-flood language systems that would enable him to not only communicate with what he considered to be the pre-flood gods of Atlantis, based upon the belief that all of religion, all of mythology originated in Atlantis. And the idea then was that if he could recover the Atlantean artifacts, the Atlantean books and secrets, that he would be able to access this ancient, sacred super science of the Atlanteans, which may have included later the Ark of the Covenant. One of the other artifacts that they were certainly searching for, as you mentioned in southern France among the Cathars, was the Holy Grail. And most of your conventional Christians think of the grail as a simple carpenter's cup. Jesus used it at the Last Supper when he offered the bread and wine, the elements. And that became the foundation of the Eucharist, which is, of course, the foundation of all Christianity. And this cup was thought to have also caught his transformed blood and water at the crucifixion. Well, that's a very nice story. But the fact of the matter is that the Holy Grail, in its mystery tradition, enables one to transmute the elements. Now, of course, these are the beliefs of Adam Blavatsky or some of the others. This is partly Blavatsky. This is also the alchemical grail tradition. All right, fine. And what we find is that most people think that the elements that the grail is used to transmute are earth, air, fire, water. But actually, it's, Dr. Stan, it's the periodic table of elements. The reason they were searching for the Holy Grail was because it was going to enable them to develop the atomic bomb faster than anyone else on the planet. And the thought was that if they could transmute the elements, they would be able to control the entire planet. And, of course, this sounds pretty far out. But there are people who honestly believe these things. Of course, if you look at the periodic table, the perfect order, you know, you look at that. And, in fact, when they laid out the periodic table in chemistry and they said, well, gee, we don't have an element here. We don't have an element there. But there's got to be one someplace, because everything is in perfect order. And, of course, eventually, they would find these various elements to fit into the slots in the periodic table, because everything I believe that God has created is in perfect order. And, of course, then these people who believe that they can begin manipulating this with these supernatural things. Now, I don't necessarily believe that they have this power. But there are people. And this was one of the Nazi beliefs. And I'm sure you probably read the book, The Spear of Destiny. Oh, of course. Yeah. There are many, many books were written by people who analyzed very, very carefully what had happened in Hitler's Germany. But these books have never been very popular. And I've got a whole section in my library of, I think, was that Ravenscroft? That's right. Yeah. Trevor Ravenscroft. Right. Who really analyzed very carefully, trying to understand the mentality of the Nazis, why they did the things that they did. And, of course, the SS was a totally occult organization. And I think you pointed out that the members of the SS simply became professional killers, totally dedicated to this idea, this idea, these Germanic beliefs of blood. What was it? Blood and soil. That had to do with Germany. That's right. Well, then, of course, what people don't understand is that there were those beliefs on our side as well, because what few people understand is that Winston Churchill, oh, the great Winnie, you know, the man who was such a dynamic individual to carry England through the war. And he was. He was a magnificent speaker, one of the great speakers of all time. But, of course, Churchill was involved in the occult, as was our president, as was Henry Wallace. In fact, it was during this time, 1935, that Henry Wallace worked and convinced Roosevelt and perhaps Roarick had something to do with it. And I want to get into Roarick in just a minute, but to put the occult symbol on the back of the dollar bill. And why don't you go ahead and tell our listeners about the significance of the symbol on the back of the dollar bill? Because this is really a seminal to understanding what's going on in the world today. What is a mystical symbol that goes back probably 5,000 to 6,000 years doing on the back of the dollar bill? Fellas, ladies and gentlemen, we don't have any pyramids here in the United States. We don't have any pyramids with a mystical eye hovering over the top of it. What's it doing on the back of our dollar bill? Go ahead. Well, that great seal that appears on the back of the one dollar bill was designed. It was actually commissioned on July 4, 1776, and it was designed under the watchful eye of Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams. Its purpose was to represent the logo, if you will, of the American enterprise. In other words, it was to just like CBS or ABC or a television station, anybody has a corporate logo and it defines their vision. This is exactly what the great seal does. But of course, isn't the cult symbol? That's right. And what it is, on one side of the great seal, we see an all-seeing eye or what's called the all-seeing eye just about to land on the top of a truncated pyramid. It's an Egyptian-style pyramid. And when you research the history of that symbol, it's not an original American symbol. It's actually traced to Egypt, where that was the symbol of their great god being Osiris, a great god of gardening who was believed to have come from Syria, came to Earth along with his wife Isis, and traveled around the planet teaching the art of gardening and other arts of civilization. Of course, this is a symbol of the mystery of religions. That's exactly right. And so the fact that it is on the back of the dollar bill, for our listeners, this ought to alarm everybody. What is the symbol of the mystery of religions at 5,000 or 6,000 years old doing on the back of the dollar bill? And it is there because of the occult influence in America that was there in 1935. And you see this every day. And those of you who have heard me comment, who watched the X-Files a week ago Sunday, saw that mystical program where Scully, Dana Scully, has the mystical experience in the Buddhist temple, and suddenly her whole outlook on the world is transformed, and her belief in science is gone, and now, of course, she's willing to accept supernatural healing using these various alternative techniques, totally in violation with everything she's believed. And let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen, there is a battle between Judeo-Christian belief and the occult, and you're seeing it played out on television, and I'll tell you what, on that X-Files program, the occult won. But why don't you go ahead and pick up the story, because then how did that symbol get from the ancient mysteries, which carried down subterranean all through the ages, because the occult has always been here, certainly repressed during the time of the Catholic Church in Europe, because, of course, they did everything they could to keep the occult from welling forward. And then, of course, here America is created. It gets on the back of the Great Seal of the United States, put there, and nobody even sees it. Nobody ever sees the back of the Great Seal for between 1782 and 1935, and then what happens? Well, what happened was, in 1934, I should mention that that symbol is not only the symbol for Osiris, there are those who believe that it's the missing capstone or cornerstone that's referenced in the Bible, and is always a reference to Jesus Christ. The reason that it appeared on the back of the $1 bill was in 1934, you had Nicholas Rorich, a world-famous Russian painter, and Henry A. Wallace, the Secretary of Agriculture of the United States, and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt engaged in Mongolia in a search for the reincarnated Christ or Messiah. In 1935, one year after that search, FDR stamped that symbol on the back of the $1 bill. Now, of course, this is an occult belief that the Messiah is living over in the Himalayas there. Of course, this gets all into the myths of Shambhala, and all of these beliefs. Ladies and gentlemen, I take these publications from the Lucis Trust, it used to be the Lucifer Publishing House, it's now called the Lucis Trust, because Lucifer had sort of a bad rap with a lot of people, and of course we're not even supposed to believe in Lucifer anymore. That, of course, is just very childish beliefs. At least that's what they'd have us believe. But you get the material from the Lucis Trust, and they tell you about Shambhala and the ashram where Sanat Kumara lives. Of course, you turn and move around the words in Sanat, and it comes up Satan. But anyway, it is a belief that there is a Shambhala over there. Is that sort of Shangri-La, the mythical Shambhala over there in the Himalayas? That's exactly right. It's kind of coincidental that at the same time that FDR named the presidential hideaway in Maryland, Shangri-La. Of course, that's Camp David of today. That's Camp David today. But no one's really exactly sure where Shambhala or Shangri-La was located. The name of the place is Meru. And what you find is that scholars debate where the actual Meru is. They wonder if it's perhaps in Sumeria, with the Sumer being having the name Meru in it. Others say Meru is actually Egypt. And then you have another group of people that say, no, Meru is Ameruka. So there's a great debate exactly where Meru is, but there is one thing that all of those traditions share, and that is the belief that this Christ, Messiah, Earth Teacher, however you want to phrase this, this world leader's name was going to appear at this place at a specific time. But of course, this is not necessarily the Jesus Christ of the Bible. This is what the occultists refer to as the Christ, wouldn't you say? And we're going to have to take a break here. So you've got about three minutes if you'd like to get a drink of water or a cup of coffee or whatever. All right. You're on the East Coast, aren't you? I'm in Nashville, Tennessee. All right. Well, that's from where we sit. That's about East Coast. So we'll be three minutes, and when we get back, we can explore this some more. And if you're out there in the listening audience and you'd like to enter into our conversation, please feel free. Now, we're coming from opposite poles. I'm an evangelical Christian, and Williams believes in some of these New Age concepts. But that's fine, because what we want to do is explore these ideas so that you understand the belief systems that are out there and how this fits, perhaps, into your belief and to my belief. We'll be back. The Liberty is listener-supported. If you're out there across America listening to us, we hope that you're enjoying our programs. I know we're picking up more and more listeners all the time. People are stumbling across us and beginning to listen on a regular basis, and hopefully we'll get you hooked. And this will be part of your everyday experience, or at least several times a week. And, of course, if you're here in the Central Coast, we hope that you enjoy our programs broadcast not only this evening, but again tomorrow afternoon from 4 to 6. And then these programs will be heard in the East Coast here, probably next week or so. 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But that constant battle between the Christian forces and the occult forces have created the situation that is responsible for many of the problems in America up until perhaps the time of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The Christian forces were in ascendancy, but when they began to pack our courts with people dedicated to the occult, when they put the occult symbol on the back of the dollar bill, when they infiltrated our seminaries, our Christian seminaries, both Catholic and Protestant, with people who wanted to change the message and the music of Christianity, and well, eventually they've done a magnificent job. And the Christianity of today has very little to do with the Christianity that existed in America a hundred years ago or 150 years ago when de Tocqueville came to America and talked about the source of our greatness and goodness, and when he said, America is great because America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great. 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In fact, the latest newsletter talks about the Arcanum of the Ancornium. And of course, the Arcanum is the secret, and the Ancornium is the secret of secrets. And you're going to learn the secret of secrets from the mystical point of view. But of course, it goes right back to the basic biblical teachings of ancient days. Under any circumstances, we hope many of you will want to join the Radio Liberty and come on our team and help us to get the truth out about that great spiritual battle that began in the Garden of Eden and continues to be fought until this very day. Our telephone number, 1-800-544-8927. That's 1-800-544-8927. 1-800-5HIV-WAR. Because we are at war. America, our future, our freedom, we're under attack today. And if you're out there and you have a question, why give us a call at 464-8295, or at 1-888-24-LIBERTY. But right now, our guest is Will Thomas, his book, One Foot in the Lattice. William, how can people get copies of your book? They can visit my website if they like it, WilliamHenry.net. WilliamHenry.net, okay. That's correct. Or they can call my publisher direct at 888-690-1277. The book is $16.95 plus $3.20 shipping and handling. All right. And again, your is www.WilliamHenry.net. WilliamHenry.net. What's net? It's usually dot com. I know. Dot org. And you're a dot net, huh? I ended up being dot net. All right, fine. So it's WilliamHenry.net. If you want to go to his website, what will they find on your website? I've got several articles there, biography, a way to order books as well. How long have you been studying this? Since 1982. And have you read The Secret Doctrine, Anesis Unveiled, and all the writings? Oh, of course, yeah. How about the Sanskrit part? We're going to talk a little bit about Helena Petrovic-Blavatsky, because she is one of the most important individuals of modern times, or at least of the last century, because so many of her disciples have shaped the world in which we live today. But of course, most people have never even heard of Helena Petrovic-Blavatsky. And the reason is you're not supposed to, because she created a secret society, and you're not supposed to believe in secret societies. But they're real. They're not imaginary. And in many ways, they're really fashioning the destiny of the world in which we live. So let's go ahead now. We were talking about Rourke. And why don't you tell our listeners about Rourke? Because in addition to being a Russian painter, he was also an occultist, wasn't he? He most certainly was. Nicholas Rourke was a Russian of a very aristocratic family. He traced his lineage to the Rourke family, who were actually the founders of Russia. They were called the people of Rus, R-U-S, from whence came Russia. And so he was trained from the time he was a young boy in occult mysteries and that sort of thing. His family had this phenomenal library near St. Petersburg that he would go to, and he received training literally since the time he was a child in these mysteries. He found a love of nature and painting very early, and also studied ancient Russian history as well. He was an archaeologist on top of being a phenomenal painter and a true occultist. But then came the Russian Revolution, and Nicholas Rourke did not subscribe to the Bolshevik way of thinking. So he left Russia and became what was known as a white Russian, spent some time in Paris, a little bit of time in London, got married, raised two sons who were tremendously superb intellects themselves. One graduated from Columbia, the other from Harvard University. And finally in the 1920s, he made his way to America for the first time, came here, toured the United States, was appalled at the lack of cultural training in America, and made it his life's mission to attempt to reverse that trend. He founded two schools, both devoted to the arts in America, and bringing the world culture to America, developed a tremendous following. Millions of dollars were poured into his, and this was in the 1920s, before the stock market crash of 29. Boy, that's what a million dollars is a lot of money. Yeah, they built him a 29-story lomacery on Riverside Drive in New York City that was designed to house his paintings. But Rourke's destiny he didn't feel like was really in America. He had a calling, he believed, to go to India. And he went there in search of lost secret manuscripts that once belonged or supposedly belonged to Jesus, possibly also Saint Thomas, and spent a considerable amount of time there with Buddhist lomaceries, learning various teachings. And he claimed that he found these secret teachings of Jesus, as well as records of Jesus's travels throughout the East, including parts of India and Asia. Now, let me just point out for the evangelical Christian, there's nothing in the Bible to verify this, but these are standard occultic beliefs, these New Age beliefs. But there are many, many people who believe this, and of course the Gospel of Thomas, and many of these other books, which are not part of this canon of Scripture. But go ahead, this is important, because this is the basis of much of the belief that's really out there. And you can go down, there's not a major city, or even a minor city in America today that doesn't have a metaphysical bookstore. And we've got a couple of them right down here in downtown Santa Cruz. You want to do a little praying before you go into them. But you'll find many of the books talking about what we're talking about now, right along with Alistair Crowley, who was basically a Satanist. And you'll find books on witchcraft, and you'll find the writings of Madame Blavatsky, and Alice Bailey, and Annie Besant. And you'll be amazed at the books that you'll find in there. But go ahead. Yeah, you surely will. And I have to say, you're right. I mean, most of what I'm saying here is heresy. And I don't say that I believe in everything that I'm saying. I'm a researcher and a reporter. Okay, well you go ahead, because I want the listeners to understand that these beliefs are out there. I don't believe in them, but I know that there are many people who do believe in them. So go ahead. I think you've done an excellent job of studying and researching this. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. So where we left off, yeah, Roerich was throughout India at these various Buddhist lamasseries, picking up what he claimed to be these manuscripts that were, some of them even written by Thomas himself. You're right. The Bible says that he was told to go preach in northern India, but it doesn't say anything about southern India. And there's where Roerich spent a good bit of his time in the area of Mongolia, elsewhere, looking for these manuscripts. He wasn't a Christian, but he was looking for these lost secrets of Jesus. He made many, many paintings of this figure they call Isa, which is the name that Jesus is known by in India. And all his life believed that Jesus was a master, a prophet, so on and so forth. But not divine. He was simply one of the masters or masters of wisdoms or the ancients of wisdoms. Right. Sort of like the way Muhammad knew them as well. And so what happened was after 1928, 1928, 29, Nicholas Roerich returned to America. And the stated purpose was the opening of his lamassery there in New York City. And it was at this time that Henry A. Wallace first comes onto Nicholas Roerich's radar. And they had a very crucial relationship. Henry A. Wallace grew up in Iowa. He was the son of a person, his father was a professor at Iowa State University. And Henry A. grew up, he was actually trained by a person by the name of George Washington Carver, who was known as Mr. Peanut. He was famed for finding various hundreds or over 100 different uses for the peanut, food and manufacturing, so on and so forth. But actually, George Washington Carver was deeply, deeply steeped in the occult, especially the African occult religions of voodoo and other things such as that. And he taught Henry A. Wallace from the time that he was knee high to a grasshopper, as they say, about the mysteries of nature. He taught Henry A. to communicate with plants and how to open windows into God's creation through his mind. And so from a very early age, Henry A. Wallace had some very strange ideas about nature, ideas that were only confirmed in the 1960s by quantum physicists. As you mentioned, a person named by the name of Annie Besant, she had a partner by the name of Charles Ledbetter, who were looking into the atomic world long before, or purported to be looking to the atomic world long before quantum physicists did. And Henry A., as it turns out, was deeply steeped into the occult religion of the theosophists of Madame Blavatsky, of Annie Besant and Charles Ledbetter. And of course, he was for a time the vice president of the United States. This is what people don't know. That's right. Vice president. And had he been re-nominated in 1944, why he would have become the president of the United States. That's right. This man was frankly deeply involved with the occult. He was a genius in the occult. A flat genius. He was presented as a hayseed hick by history. The man was a genius. And this is why nobody could understand why in 1940, FDR insisted on having Henry A. Wallace on the ticket. The Democratic National Convention in 1940 went absolutely nuts at the prospect that Henry A. Wallace would be one heartbeat away from the presidency. FDR said, if you don't take Henry with me, I'm not going. They were forced into bringing Henry A. Wallace on the ticket. FDR needed Henry Wallace for a reason, which we can perhaps get into later. But the point I wanted to make was that when FDR made his acceptance speech in 1940 at the convention in Chicago, well, it was by telephone, actually. FDR was at the White House. He said, I wanted to thank you for accepting the nomination of Henry A. Wallace as president of the United States of America. Let's go to Mike calling from Santa Cruz. Hi, Mike. How are you doing? Oh, pretty good. This would be right up your alley. Yeah, your friend was talking about, wait, is this Will Thomas? No, this is Will Henry. Yeah, I think you said Will Thomas. I'm sorry. Okay, he was talking about Ledbetter and Descente and their clairvoyance into the atomic structure. I suppose you're familiar then with the book Occult Chemistry? Of course. Have you studied that thoroughly? Well, about as thoroughly as you can. It's a very arcane book. Confusing. Yes, it is. It's very confusing. Did you read what they talked about regarding gold? You'll have to refresh my memory. Well, on page 353, it talks about a compound of gold and silver that is ingested. Then they're applying some Ayurvedic principles, and then the life forces of the body change the gold into a new atomic structure of some sort. All these things, as you know, Mike, they say whatever they want to, but that doesn't mean there's any truth to it at all. Yet, some of these ideas that have come to them supernaturally are really rather scary. Yeah. I wondered if Thomas there is aware of any comparison, maybe with the information that they came up with clairvoyantly, how it might compare with reality and modern understanding of atomic structures. Well, they are credited with the discovery. These two people are using their imagination, basically. Today, some people refer to the practice as remote viewing. What they were attempting to do is to project part of their consciousness. See, what they believed is that throughout India, there were these abilities that these masters claimed to possess. There were six or eight of them, and one of them was the ability to make themselves as small as they possibly could be in an instant. So imagine that you've got a cup of coffee on your desk there, and you're wanting to investigate the internal structure of that cup of coffee. You could take it to a physics lab, and they might put it underneath an electron microscope and allow you to peer into that coffee cup and reveal the atomic structure. These people claimed that they could do the very same thing with the power of their brain. Through their imagination, some mystic power, whatever you want to call it, they had the ability to, long before physicists could do this, look into matter. They claimed that they were doing it by making themselves just infinitesimally small, so that even the atom became enormously huge to them, and then they were able to record or draw the structure of that atom. They're credited with the discovery or the recording of six quarks as part of the structure of matter. And it wasn't until the 1960s that physicists at Caltech were able to discover exactly the same thing. But of course, what they're really doing is calling on these supernatural forces that, in my estimation, come from the dark side for anything that they can come up with, that they couldn't come up with a logical explanation for. Would you agree or disagree with that, Mike? It's hard to put in a nutshell, but what I wanted to say, though, I believe that what they're attempting to do or describing can be done. Whether or not they actually did it with accuracy is another story. Well, I'll tell you. You shouldn't want to call on these dark forces. And if our listeners out there, believe me, do not play with this sort of thing. This is not something you want to take on lightly, because, as Mike will attest, because Mike was in the New Age for perhaps 10 or 20 years, he knows the tremendous attraction this has. I present this not to fascinate you, but to educate you, and if nothing else, to warn you. It's real. It's not imaginary. And you better have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, because we are involved in a spiritual battle. Anything else, Mike? Well, I wanted to ask Will, I'll get his name right this time. William Henry, right. Yeah, if he knows what the occult significance or importance is of gold, I believe that gold probably became the basic medium of exchange through the centuries, not because of a material value, but because of an occult value. And I wondered if he thinks down these lines or what he might know. No, that's a good question. I've been asked that before, Mike, and I've just never been led to really research the occult significance of gold. I have looked into some of the history of the alchemists, people that purported to be able to transmute base elements into gold. And I'm certainly aware of gold as a metaphor for the human soul, and the ultimate goal of purifying the soul. But no, I haven't continued my research any deeper than that. I've always felt, Mike, that it was used as a medium of exchange, just because there wasn't that much of it. It was not something you could simulate. And of course, you wanted to have something of a fixed value that cost a certain amount to produce and emit. And of course, you wouldn't get too much of it and get inflation. Yeah, well, that's the way it's presented in our society. But I believe, I tend to believe that it's being rounded up these days by the power elite of the world. And they want it, and not for monetary purposes specifically. They're certainly using it that way. That happens all along the way. But I believe ultimately, they want it for an occultic purpose. They want as much of it as they can in one spot, likely Switzerland or one of those castles in the Bavarian countryside. Okay, right. Perhaps Linderhof or someplace like that. Anyway, thanks so much, Mike. Bye-bye. Okay, well, now, we were talking basically about Rourke, and of course, Rourke's influence then on Henry Wallace, who was simply a heartbeat away from the American presidency. So then why did Roosevelt insist on having Wallace there? I want you to give me the answer. I know the answer, but I want our listeners to hear why was it so important to Franklin Delano Roosevelt to have Henry Wallace, who he had to know was deeply involved in the occult, at his side? That's why. Because, and this is my personal opinion based upon, I've just written a book about this. That's what I'm completing right now is this triune relationship, which has to be one of the most fantastic threesomes in history. We have to remember that since he was a young man, since he was 28, 29 years old, FDR himself was looking for the Holy Grail. And he was also deeply steeped in many of these concepts. He understood the significance of many of these things in our time. And again, if we have to look at the Holy Grail from the perspective that it may be more than a simple carpenter's cup, that it may, in fact, give us the ability to transmute the elements. And as it turns out, Henry A. Wallace, as a plant geneticist, intimately and as a person who was trained in the occult mysteries by George Washington Carver, knew the secrets of photosynthesis and the fusion of light. He knew the secrets of the atom. And that is his primary value to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR knew or actually possessed many of the nuclear secrets. He formed something called the Top Policy Group. It was a group of five men that controlled the secrets of transmuting the elements of nuclear fission. And Henry A. Wallace was the only scientist in that Top Policy Group. He was the only person that could explain those secrets to FDR. And that's the primary reason why Henry A. Wallace was so valuable to FDR. They share a very strange connection. The connection is that Nicholas Roerich's family, his original family name was not Roerich. It was Roos, spelled R-U-S or sometimes R-O-O-S. Henry A. Wallace grew up in Iowa, but when he came of age in his early, late teens, early 20s, he was shipped off to Minnesota, where he was then trained by a shaman named Charles Roos. And then you have the president, Franklin Roosevelt, sharing the same root word, Roos. Now, what's the significance of that? Well, the significance of that is that when you go back to Egypt, where many of these mysteries originated, Roos was the name of the projectile, the serpentine projectile, that is shown emerging from the forehead of the phaerus. What does the Roos enable one to do? It enables one to peer into the atomic structure of matter. And it's my contention, my supposition, that these three men all shared this combination of this Roos factor in their name or in their life or in their livelihood, and they were destined to come together in an attempt to bring forward the secrets of nuclear fission. Well, of course, then there was a strong Masonic influence on the presidency at that time, certainly FDR was a Mason. He packed our Supreme Court with people who are Mason, so that actually for a 30-year period after both he and President Truman were the presidents, the Masons totally controlled our Supreme Court. What's the relationship of Masonry to this world occult movement? Well, for the most part, the Masons, many people believe their history is traced to the Knights Templar. Of course, their lineage goes back to Egypt, and they seem to be a sort of an occult club brotherhood that is established to promulgate or pass along the occult secrets of the ancients. But, of course, the average Mason has no idea. It's only the inner segment of the secret brotherhood, at least according to Matt Lee P. Hall in his book, What the Ancient Philosophy Expects of His Disciples. Yeah, but the teaching... Well, anyway, the name escapes me right now, but anybody who'd like to get it, we actually have a copy of it. And he talks about how you basically have a fraternity. Within a fraternity, you have the outer group that they specifically conceal the truth from, and then the inner group who really understands the secrets, and, of course, the secret of secrets. That's right. Lectures on Ancient Philosophy by Matt Lee P. Hall is the book I'm thinking of. And then there's another book, What the Ancient Wisdom Expects of His Disciples. But the Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, are you probably aware of that book? Yeah, I'm familiar with it. Okay. And, of course, that then explains where Masons fit into this, because, of course, they are part of one of the esoteric brotherhoods, aren't they? Oh, absolutely. Now, do you get to that at all in your writings? I kind of have, since other writers have done, including Matt Lee P. Hall and others, have done such a great job with the Masons, I've kind of stayed away from them just a little bit. It's one of those subjects that you have to be able to devote just an enormous amount of time to, and I've just chosen to look elsewhere. Okay, fine. Certainly, the occult influence through Roosevelt and the Masons was part and parcel of this whole mystical mystique of FDR, which everybody has forgotten. If you don't understand that Churchill was a Druid and a Mason and dedicated to the occult, I'd like to get your thoughts on Churchill. And then, of course, you have Wallace and you have FDR. And then, of course, you have to understand that many of the people who surrounded FDR came from the Brotherhood as well, Henry Stimson, people of that sort. And then, of course, one of the people who was closest to FDR was a man named Edward Mandel House. Have you gotten into House at all in your study? No, I have not. Oh, certainly the key figure in American history during the first three decades of the 20th century. He was the man who controlled Woodrow Wilson and the rulers of the world. And that's, of course, a different story. And we can perhaps discuss that in the next hour. But we're going to take a minute break here. And so if you're out there in the listening audience, don't even think about changing your dial. And if you'd like to get a copy of our latest newsletter, give us a call at 1-800-5-HI-V-WAR. A lot of this is covered in my latest newsletter. And you may very well want to get a copy of Will Henry's book. And we'll tell you how to get it as soon as we get back.