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PreachParsly Member
Joined: 2005/1/14 Posts: 2164 Arkansas
| Re: | | :-) Sorry I was trying to do some fancy HTML work on this post and it didn't work... this can just be ignored. I didn't mean to press submit, but I meant to press preview. _________________ Josh Parsley
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2006/3/9 14:11 | Profile |
Greenquality Member
Joined: 2006/1/26 Posts: 189 mountains of Pa.
| Re: | | Ryane, I think you should whatch what you say pertaining to my post,How dare you ablid and putting words or action on my behalf.*( If I enter some home and they offer me porn ,) what is wrong with you??? |
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2006/3/9 16:29 | Profile |
MSeaman Member
Joined: 2005/4/19 Posts: 772 Michigan
| Re: Dare I say... alcohol????? | | I can only add my personal beliefs here. I don't think the Scripture says "Thou shall not drink alcoholic beverages." But as many have already posted, there are several verses about drunkards. The Scripture says to avoid the appearance of evil. If we are tipping back a beer with our unsaved friends, where is our witness? How are we set apart for God.
I think that each believer must decide for him or herself what things you should abstain from. With my past, I no longer drink alcoholic beverages because it give the enemy a foothold to condemn me.
just my two cents.
_________________ Melissa
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2006/3/9 16:51 | Profile |
| Re: | | If we understand that wine has to go through a furminting process in orde to become an alcoholic beverage, and we apply that to the miracle of Jesus turning the water into wine, we find that this wine was not an alchoholic beverage, but a very tasty grape wine WITHOUT the alcohol.
I believe it is very dangerous to condone drinking ,even in moderation, since some of us are so addictive by nature. If I were to drink one, I would have to drink until one, it was either all gone, or two, I pass out.
I'm an alcolholic by nature, but by the grace of God I have not touched the stuff in about three years. Since my conversion. That's one reason I'm so hard on christians who are not walking the walk. You never know whose watching. :-) |
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2006/3/9 16:52 | |
groh_frog Member
Joined: 2005/1/5 Posts: 432
| Re: | | J-bird,
Sounds like you're defining miracles with logic. Thing about miracles is that they tend to defy logic... :-)
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2006/3/10 16:32 | Profile |
| Re: | | Depends on how you view the miracle. Would'nt it be a greater meriacle to turn water into wine WITHOUT alcohol and the people to PREFER this over their alcoholic drink? :-) |
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2006/3/10 17:57 | |
groh_frog Member
Joined: 2005/1/5 Posts: 432
| Re: | | Completely agree with you J. The Lord has the power to do anything. But to assume that it wasn't an alcoholic beverage because there wasn't enough time... That's like saying that healing isn't possible without rest time, etc.
Based on the word study points brought up earlier, I couldn't tell you if Jesus made alcoholic wine or not. But if he wanted to, he could. |
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2006/3/10 18:19 | Profile |
Logic Member
Joined: 2005/7/17 Posts: 1791
| Re: | | Quote:
groh_frog wrote: J-bird,
Sounds like you're defining miracles with logic. Thing about miracles is that they tend to defy logic... :-)
I am a miracle, just like the next Christian. 8-) |
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2006/3/10 19:46 | Profile |
MisterCheez Member
Joined: 2006/2/22 Posts: 96 Colorado
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"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ' He has a demon!' "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds." Matt 11:18-19 NASU
How could they accuse Jesus of being a drunkard (even though he obviously wasn't), if the drinks he drank weren't alcoholic/fermented? As far as I know, wine has always been wine and juice has always been juice.
Moderation is definitely possible and seems to be Biblically endorsed. Are we to believe Paul was really encouraging Timothy to take a bit of juice to ease his condition?
I'm not saying that I think drinking is a good idea, just being honest about the Word. The person who sips wine and the person who stares at it are not the same. _________________ Brian Erickson
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2006/3/12 12:12 | Profile |
Greenquality Member
Joined: 2006/1/26 Posts: 189 mountains of Pa.
| Re: | | Yes I believe Jesus came for the sinner's.yes he drank with them,and eat with them,talked with them and loved them,So If you have a problem with what he did, and this becomes an offence to you.your not alone so did the scribes. (read matt 9:15) Quote:
wine in the new testatment was fermented read ( luke 5:37) what causes old bottles to break,, fermented wine. not Juice!
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2006/3/12 13:37 | Profile |