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rookie
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| | Re: | | Brother JaySaved wrote:
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I have been praying and studying this as well. While in Romans I came across chapter 8 verse 5: "Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires."
So, God is telling us that non-Christians live according to their own sinful pleasures.
Paul is only teaching of those who have been born from above in chapter 8 of Romans.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Rom. 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtorsnot to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
All Christians have the same choice. In verse 13, For if you live according to the flesh you will die..." We know that Paul teaches that all men are dead until one is born from above. So in verse 13, Paul identifies to whom he is teaching about. These people are alive and have the choice to continue in the flesh or to put to death the deeds of the flesh by following the Spirit.
In Christ
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rookie
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| | Re: | | Brother Jaysaved wrote:
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ROMANS 10:17 NKJ
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Throught out Scripture, the OT and the NT this has been the same.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
So it is by His voice that we know how to do what is good. Without His voice, we are under this law.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
The question is, "but how to perform what is good I do not find." It is only by hearing His voice do we know how to perform what is good.
In Christ
Jeff
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Greenquality
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| | Re: | | Now angel being created beings, do they have a free will? can they sin? what state was adam eye's before they where opened??what I think and am trying to figure out,is sin... is it guilt of wrong doing??? or being set apart from God will and communion with Him?or just the act of disobeying. because most of the western chritains think we do not have free will! that we are inclind to sin regaurdless of the choices? |
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my personal belief is that those pre-OAD Jews(christians) are the same, basically(lived by faith not by works, and were born agai0 as the post-OAD christians(Jews)except as one was putting there faith in the messiah to come the other puts there faith in the messiah that has come.
I don't know about the born again part. I beleive the old testament saints went to a place in the heart of the earth called "paradise", and when Jesus finished the work on the cross he descended into the lowere parts of the earht and took them with Him to heaven.Luke chapter 16:19-31 gives an account of this place. Also Matt 27:51-53 and I Cor 15:20 gives an account of their ressurection. |
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| | Re: | | If we don't have free will, we cannot submit to God wholeheartedly. |
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ginnyrose
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| | Re: | | May I suggest you read the book of Romans and I John and for the time being quit reading any theological work? It appears to me they and other Christians are confusing you more then necessary. You can find many books, many people who will tell you anything....the devil uses such to confuse. Been there, done that...Get rooted and grounded in the Word, and then you can tackle these people/ideas.
I suggest you read the Bible as though it is God's personal letter just to you, because it really is!
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Greenquality
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| | Re: | | Iron man ,after I read all the post on this subject,i would like to retract my thoughts.Just maybe there are some things we are not to understand,..........(this remined's me back in 2nd grade,..........when the local newspaper,came to are class,to take a picture.of one student,......... which are school took part in a fundraiser.which I for one had no clue..... they put all the students names in a big glass jar and mixed them up,a teacher from the other room ramdomly picked a name and read it out loud.... they called my name,i was so happy because I was never picked for anything,my joy was soon ended by a error on the teacher part,... so my name went back into the jar once again,By this time I was sad.so another teacher reached in to grab a name from that jar and read it out loud and it was my name again...my thoughts at this time was for sure.,that I would be in the picture ,for our school. I heard a preacher said this once....we look at games and give aways on back of boxes or bottles in small print it say's(((( many shall enter,but few will win)))! |
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rookie
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| | Re: | | Brother Greenquality wrote:
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?what I think and am trying to figure out,is sin... is it guilt of wrong doing??? or being set apart from God will and communion with Him?or just the act of disobeying.
Sin is a result of not knowing how to love God and one another according to God's law. The law of God establishes the way He has determined that His creation should live. From the time of Adam and Eve's decision to live outside of what God had ordained for His creation until now, the generations of men have truly learned what it means to know both good and evil. The generations of man have suffered greatly due to the underlying precept that we do not know how to love God with our whole heart mind and soul and then love one another as God has established before the foundations of this world.
The seperation from God is the result of Adam's sin. All generations have been been subjected to this seperation. By what means has God determined that man might be restored? It is by the law of faith. Where does faith find it source? It is God's voice. Those who obey what they hear learn from God day by day in the way they should walk. The ancient path will teach them how to love God and one another. And of course, their is the seed of Satan who continue to be heirs of his domain. So in the end of all things, one is either adopted into God's kingdom through the birth of the Spirit which gives you life in Christ. This life is a result of living by faith in Christ. Or one remains in the domain of Satan and in faith one obeys his father, Satan.
Sin is a manifestation of not knowing how to love God according to His law.
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Jeff
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| | Re: | | bro Greenquality
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Iron man ,after I read all the post on this subject,i would like to retract my thoughts.Just maybe there are some things we are not to understand
i came to the same conclusion that the mechanics of predestination are beyond our comprehension. our perception of free will is based a lot on an anglo-american view of liberty which pretty much says we can do whatever, in truth we can do nothing outside of God's will. now it was said by C.S. Spurgeon that the 2 things, predetermination and free will (as per God's view) work hand in hand and the thing of it is that it'll only make sense on the other side. while we're here, some of us are called to be vessels of mercy and we should set about the work of being vessels of mercy. another theologian said that the doctrine of predestination when understood truly highlights the Lord's sovereignty in ALL things and that's the bottom line...off to be a vessel of mercy...
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