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Diane

Matt,

I have wished for something like this in a lllooonnggggggg time. If I do see something like it, it usually is promoting a particlar view like pre-millennium, post-millennium. I would like something that stays true to the text. If I would be an artist I would have done it myself.

I look forward to seeing this, Matt. And if you can post it somewhere, be sure to let us know where it is...because I WANT to see it...you may have to PM me to direct me to it..I am a very busy lady who does not have a lot of time to spend on the computer...

I will be looking for it.... :-)

ginnyrose

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Sandra Miller

Diane... the mark is a literal mark. Thats why it can also be in the hand.

Rev 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their [b]right hand[/b], [b][u]or[/u][/b] in their foreheads: And that [b]no man might [u]buy or sell[/u][/b], save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

How much more plain and obvious can the Word of God be?? This was the error of the gnostics. They spiritualized everything until even Jesus was not believed to be flesh and blood, but a phantom.

Krispy

Krispy,

I'm sorry too, but I enjoyed NC and will try to catch up with you in the future.

On the mark, the reason I asked Annie that is I looked up the Greek, and the word is 'engraved'. Now, is this different from a word which means etched?

The reason I ask should be obvious, and that is, that we REALLY ARE living letters. The MARK on our hearts is 'real' - but it is spiritual.

Revelation talks about two different marks placed on the foreheads: one placed there at God's direction as stated in Rev. 9:4 and the other made by man (Rev. 13:16-17) - who took the mark of the beast. So it would appear all will have a mark.

EDIT: The purpose of each is totally different. The one man by man is so he could buy and sell. The other made by God was to preserve him in the midst of God's judgement poured out on the earth.

Now I am not personaly interested in getting into an eschatological discussion
of pres, a-s, post Millenniumism.;-)



ginnyrose

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A very young gifted man, with autism . who is called the Brainman very gifted in split second mathematics,who crossed the bridge into are social world and describes what he see in his mind. he see's numbers as moving landscape,shapes, color,texture,and sounds.he goes on to tell what he see's the (# 2 )is motion has purposeful movement.the( # 5)is the sound of thunder. then he say's somthing which struck a chord to me, he describes the( # 6) as being shapeless, empty,a voild,a darkness , a black hole if you will.the only number that has no mark........I know from the past the marking on the arm and head was used during ww2 , in the death camps, for the Jews ,Gypsy, Serbs.It makes you think !!! but I think it will be a mark of a system of thought,an emptyness,a voild.lack of understanding. but this is me just talking,but I'am profound and prefixed how God and his truly gifted people ,who society thinks as Handicap,or having phsical,or mental disadvantages.stumble the minds of greatest scientist,and who can think faster than any computer,or store imformation and recall it, like Kim peek,who the movie was made after the rain man.He knows the Bible!!better than any E-sword program. and in his disadvantages,he say's "we should treat other's we meet with kindness"

[u]Please[/u] read this ...

I've seen the "buying and selling" technology and it's already being used. It's the technology of the chip.

I will add that there are many "and"s and "or"s in connection with The Beast.

And to the others, please notice these verses and see that it is not just the chip; but is clear that it {the mark} must be physical.

Rev 13:17 [i]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, [u]or[/u] the name of the beast, [u]or[/u] the number of his name.[/i]

Rev 13:18 [u]Here is wisdom. Let him that hath 'understanding'[3563] 'count'[5585][/u] the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

That word to "count" means an intelligent "compute". That is implying that there must be use of one's Brain to "figure" and one can only "figure" if they know what to look [u]for[/u] {"hath understanding"}.

Please notice all of the "and"s and "or"s and "neither"s ...

Rev 13:17 [i]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, [u]or[/u] the name of the beast, [u]or[/u] the number of his name.[/i]

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, [i]If any man worship the beast and his image, [u]and[/u] receive his mark in his forehead, [u]or[/u] in his hand[/i] ....

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, [i]who worship the beast [u]and[/u] his image, [u]and[/u] whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.[/i]

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: [i]and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, [u]and[/u] over his image, [u]and[/u] over his mark, [u]and[/u] over the number of his name[/i], stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and [i]there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, [u]and[/u] upon them which worshiped his image.[/i]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived [i]them that had received the mark of the beast, [u]and[/u] them that worshiped his image.[/i] These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, [i]and which had [u]not[/u] worshiped the beast, [u]neither[/u] his image, [u]neither[/u] had received his mark [u]upon[/u] their foreheads, or [u]in[/u] their hands;[/i] and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

It's also important in these above verses to see that there may be those who do not necessarily take a chip but are just as guilty of "worshipping the beast or/and his image".
Some having "prior knowledge" of a chip, and I know many who are not Regenerated but are saying presently that they will not take any such chip, yet because they are not 'regenerated' will still marvel at this beast and it's system or power.

Or one can take the mark, thinking "I don't worship this beast, but I have to be able to buy food and all."

Making three ways to be damned.