Since God is present in all times ( He was, He is and He will be) from His point of view, everything is predestined. From our point of view ( we can only move forward), it is all free will. The real question is our relationship to time itself.
_________________David Michael Paul
My perspective on "free will" is that only Adam and Christ had free will in the highest sense. Adam used his totally free will to disobey and plunge mankind into slavery to sin and spiritual death.As children of Adam, how much free will does a slave or a dead man have? We choose sin because we are slaves to it. Even when we choose good, if we do it apart from God, we are still condenmed, for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.Christ used His free will to obey, thereby breaking the curse of Adam. In Christ we are no longer slaves to sin.Make sense, or am I just opening another can of worms?
I would not say everything is not predestined, for that is like saying everything is pre-determined also implying that we don't have free will. Free will is not a point of view or perspective. Free will is having the a will apart from God's will that is capable of defying God's will.
IRONMAN wrote:i don't believe that anyone can override the Lord's will or resist it.
bro jimbobi hadn't taken into concideration that the word says we were slaves to sin before coming to Christ...whoa this rabbit hole is really deep :-? :-?
Another thought... have you ever done something that was not God's will? If so did you override His will by making your own decision?
Bro PreachParsleyindeed i do. as the Lord lead me through that passage of scripture He showed me something. The Lord is longsuffering to us, who is the "us" being referred to here? the body of believers is it not? The context of that scripture is not for all men, but for all believers many of whom at the time (and now) are unbelievers, hence the need for us to go out into the world.These ones have been chosen before the foundation of the world.you're right, not all will come to repentance but all those predestined to do so will certainly not perish.bro PreachParsley, i think our perception of free will as it was taught to us is wrong and we need to get it right before the whole mystery of predestination is revealed to us. i have learnt so much in the last couple of days it's been most amazing...let us continue to seek the Lord that this mystery be made plain to us.AMEN
Do you believe God chooses some to go to Hell? Or that He knows the end from the begining and knows who will "choose?"