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 Get hold of Spirit rather than White House, Cymbala urges


FORT WORTH--Christianity does not need better church growth methods or more political clout in Washington, but a true Holy Ghost revival, Jim Cymbala told Texas Baptists last week.
___"Christianity is hopeless without the Holy Ghost," the author of "Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire" told more than 9,000 participants at the Texas Baptist Evangelism Conference in the Fort Worth Convention Center Jan. 31.

___"You can give the people the words, but unless they are anointed by the power of the Holy Spirit, they are powerless," said Cymbala, pastor of Brooklyn Tabernacle, a nationally known multi-racial, multi-cultural congregation in Brooklyn, N.Y.
___"If doctrinal sermons were all that was needed, we would have won the entire world by now, but we need the Holy Spirit. Revival will not happen by doing methods or programs. We need an invasion from heaven; we need the power and blessing and anointing of the Holy Spirit on our churches and our work," he said.
___Cymbala said the church was born in times of prayer. The first Christians had no buildings, no speaker systems, no orchestras, no choirs, no legal religion, no New Testaments to hand out, he said.
___"Yet they turned Jerusalem upside down. And here we are complaining about who is in the White House. Shame on us. I don't care who is in the White House; if the Holy Spirit is moving on the church, we are going to win souls for the Lord Jesus Christ.
___"I don't trust the Democrats. I don't trust the Republicans. The Bible says we are not to put our trust in 'princes.' I have seen Republicans in the White House. I have seen Democrats in the White House. I don't know what newspaper you are reading, or where you live, but have you see any great change in our country in the last 20 or 25 years?
___"We have had Reagan and Bush. We have had Carter and Clinton. Do you see any change in the country? It is going down the sewer.
___"Why? Because political parties are not supposed to change America," Cymbala said. "The church is supposed to change America. We are the salt of the earth and the light of the world."
___He called on participants to surrender to the power of the Holy Spirit and to stop trusting in methods and human visions.
___In the New Testament, "the church was operated, evangelism was conducted and workers were raised up by the power of the Holy Spirit," he said. "They did not depend on computers, committees or church growth seminars. They depended on their only source of strength, the Holy Spirit."
___Today, when it comes to calling workers, Cymbala charged that people "who have no validation ... affirmation from the Holy Spirit are being chosen. Committees and deacon boards are not meeting together to pray and to seek God's face, but are making decisions based on job summaries and resumes and educational attainments."
___Too many churches and pastors say they believe the Bible, but "when it comes to

running the church or doing evangelism or calling leaders, they throw out the Bible and go by tradition or somebody's vision, or what somebody thinks the church should be like."
___"When somebody tells me their 'vision' of the church, I wonder why I should care what their vision of the church is? It is not their church. The church belongs to Jesus," he said.
___"Guys stand up and talk about their vision for the church or 'what works' in church. I am interested in God's vision for the church. It is his church. He gave us his Son; he gave us his book to show us what he wants his church to be and how he wants it run."
___The Holy Spirit "is the agent of God, the administrator of the church. We will not run the church by going to some church growth seminar, but by seeking the Holy Spirit's guidance, direction and blessing."
___Cymbala was critical of the church growth movement, which he said is "destroying the church ... giving principles which aren't even in the Bible.
___"Church growth has proved to be a mirage," he said. "Over 90 percent of what we call church growth is just moving Christians from one building to another. We are not having water baptismal services for 80 or 90 or 100 people every other week. We are just moving people from one building to another; from First Nazarene to First Assembly, from First Presbyterian to First Methodist to First Baptist.
___"The angels don't sing when that happens. That is just musical chairs. The angels rejoice when one sinner repents and turns to Jesus.
___"But we have made all this a culture, and we are fine-tuning methods of stealing members from each other," he continued. "That is why there is so little love among clergy. They know what game they are playing.
___"What a way to waste your life, moving Christians from one building to another.

Aren't there enough sinners around for us to do God's work?"
___He also criticized the church growth movement's teaching that "homogenous units" grow faster.
___"Churches that don't want black people or brown people ... or even poor white people, are not Spirit-filled churches. Nobody is dumb. That appeals to the prejudices of the people and makes a social club of the church. That is not what Jesus wants of his church."
___On the issue of the Holy Spirit, Cymbala said Christendom is divided today, and "the Devil is playing both sides."
___"On one side, people are doing so many weird things that are not in the Bible and blaming it on the Holy Spirit. They are jerking, twitching, roaring like lions, tweeting like birds, acting like animals. Very few people in those circles have the guts to say, 'Stop! Wait a minute! That is not in the Bible. Can you imagine Jesus doing that, or Paul doing that?'
___"These people are adding to the word of God. They say he is doing a new thing, so new that it is not even in the Bible. If it is a new thing, I want to see the people in church, souls being won, people seeking the Lord.
___"On the other side are those who have tossed the Spirit out the window. They have watched that foolishness on television ... those showoffs, those shysters, those con men, and don't want any of it.
___"But how are you going to run a church without the Holy Spirit? Trying to do so results in little one-hour, packaged 'protestant masses,' where there is no spontaneity, no Spirit, no anointing."
___The many social problems that plague America today are a result of churches and Christians not living and acting in the power of the Spirit, Cymbala asserted.
___"Don't tell me it's the culture, the environment," he said. "It is the lack of the presence of the Holy Spirit and his power in our lives. We are not going to change it by computers and committees or by fanaticism or foolishness or emotionalism or by throwing the Holy Spirit out of our churches.
___"We need a revival. We need a Holy Ghost revival. We need the power of God in our lives."

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 2005/12/18 14:55Profile

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 Re: Get hold of Spirit rather than White House, Cymbala urges

Go Jim Go!

Ed Raby

 2005/12/18 23:10Profile

 Re: Get hold of Spirit rather than White House, Cymbala urges

yes and amen...please Lord hear our prayer...

 2005/12/19 0:38

 Re: Get hold of Spirit rather than White House, Cymbala urges

Stever replies:
Why is the gift of the Holy Spirit missing in our Church today? We have all been water baptized, but where is the power that Christ promised the believer?

John tells us that he baptized with water, but that He (Christ) would baptize believers with the Holy Ghost and Fire. This Baptism would provide them with the power to be a witness for Him, and to do the work of the Church. This is the missing element in todays Church, to be sure. After Pentecost the Bible teaches that in most instances the filling of the Holy Spirit does not happen at the time of water baptism. When does it happen?

The Bible tells us that it happens most often by the LAYING ON OF HANDS OF OTHER SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVERS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. Some examples of this are as follows:

Acts 6: 5. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6. Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, THEY LAID THEIR HANDS ON THEM.
7. And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.

Acts 8: 14. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15. Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16. (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 8: 18. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Acts 9: 17. And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; AND PUTTING HIS HANDS ON HIM SAID, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith...”

Acts 13: 2. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3. And when they had fasted and prayed, AND LAID THEIR HANDS ON THEM, they sent them away.
4. So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus."

Acts 19:" 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6. And WHEN PAUL HAD LAID HIS HANDS UPON THEM, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7. And all the men were about twelve."

Acts 28:" 8. And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, AND LAID HIS HANDS ON HIM, and healed him.

1 Timothy 4:" 13. Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
14. Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the LAYING ON OF THE HANDS OF THE PRESBYTERY."

1 Timothy 5:" 22. Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure."

2 Timothy 1: 6. Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, WHICH IS IN THEE BY THE PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS.
7. For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 6:" 1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of LAYING ON OF HANDS, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3. And this will we do, if God permit."

I was saved and water baptized many, many years ago, but in the process of wanting a deeper walk with Jesus Christ, was baptized into the Holy Ghost on 6/4/1999. How did this happen? By my wanting this Baptism with all my heart and by the laying on of hands by another Spririt Filled Brother in the Church.

God bless,


 2005/12/19 2:18

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