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bro Jeff, hi,That was good what you wrote but i didnt see anything that would make a person take the position that Jesus was priest before he was incarnate.
Are you refering to the saints in paradise that the gospel was preached to?
In a sense he could not have been a priest before his earthly walk. [no blood]
If you look at the atonement [no blood no atonement]
I enjoy talking to you on this subject. The priesthood almost seems like the core of Gods plan


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Bro jeff,Is this a part of predestination?


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""The Holy Spirit is the means by which God gives birth to the sons of God. The Holy Spirit enables us to know Christ. Our hearts and minds are renewed by the Holy Spirits work in us. The outcome of this work is that we are "conformed into the image of His Son." The incorrupible seed in the word of God, the written Scriptures. As Jesus demonstrated His love of the Father we too will learn from Him in the way that we must go""

"""The Holy Spirit is the means by which God gives birth to the sons of God.""

Just Like Mary, giving birth to the Son of God.

Jesus Christ was all man and all God. He had the Seed of God the Father in Him. Jesus of Nazareth was a man, and as Such we know Him no more.

2Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more.

Was it The Holy Spirit's blood shed at the Cross?


"" Our hearts and minds are renewed by the Holy Spirits work ""

Renewed to what? To the "MIND of CHRIST" birthed in us. The Holy Spirit is not birthed in us. The Holy Spirit is in us given by the Christ in us. The Holy Spirit is from the Father in whom Jesus Pray to for the anointing of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.


"" us. The outcome of this work is that we are "conformed into the image of His Son." The incorrupible seed in the word of God, the written Scriptures""

We have been over this before. The Word of God in 1 Peter 1: 23 Is the Logos of God, the Same word as in John 1.

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

This is who we are born again by: Jesus Christ the Logos of God from above by the Seed (Sperma) of God the Father. The Holy Spirit seals this process of New Birth. New nature, New Creature in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Who were we sealed by? Into Who?

Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Paul speaks of the born again experience as the "Mystery". This is Christ in you. Done by the Word of God Himself.

Galatians 2:19-21 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

How?

Galatians 2:16-17 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Perfect Birth, we cannot sin in the Spirit of Christ that is birthed in us. We can sin in the flesh when we allow our minds to be controlled by the flesh, then we have an advocate with the Father for the forgiveness of these sins.

You cannot have it both ways, that Christ as a Man and The Holy Spirit as Christ.

"Henceforth we know Christ no longer as a man. But The glorified Son of God, our New Creature Life, Born from above.

Christ liveth in me:
So also the Holy Spirit Teacher of this mystery:

Phillip


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"Perfect Birth, we cannot sin in the Spirit of Christ that is birthed in us."

bro, Phillip, I don't think this is scriptural
[Jesus being birthed in us}
We are born again not Jesus.

Where did you get this teaching?


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1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word (Word)(Logos) of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, (Logos) and the Word (Logos) was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Fulfill the Word of God. "Christ in you"

The Mystery: Being born again by the incorruptable Seed of the Father. New Creature:
Christ in You.

Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

How are we perfect? In Christ by Christ birthed in you.

By the Spirit of Christ we cannot sin.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Thus:

"Perfect Birth, we cannot sin in the Spirit of Christ that is birthed in us."

Can Christ sin?

Christ liveth in me: Phillip


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Ephesians 1:17-23 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


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"Perfect Birth, we cannot sin in the Spirit of Christ that is birthed in us."




As brother David asked...what men teach this doctrine? Does this doctrine have it's roots in Shuler's ministry out there in California?

In Christ
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phillip, you specifically said "Christ birthed in you"
The born again experience does not involve christ 'being birthed'
When you were born again it is YOUR spirit that is re-birthed.
Christ is not birthed or rebirthed in you.

Do you agree?


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How many does it take to believe the in Christ Position?

The words in Christ occur in 224 verses, including 77 exact phrase matches shown first:

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Act 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.


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Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


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Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


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Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


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Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,


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Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.


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Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:


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Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.


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Rom 16:9 Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.


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Rom 16:10 Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' [household].


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1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


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1Cr 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


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1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.


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1Cr 4:10 We [are] fools for Christ's sake, but ye [are] wise in Christ; we [are] weak, but ye [are] strong; ye [are] honourable, but we [are] despised.


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1Cr 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


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1Cr 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.


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1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.


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1Cr 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.


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1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


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1Cr 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.


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1Cr 16:24 My love [be] with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. [[[The first [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.]]]


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2Cr 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;


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2Cr 2:14 Now thanks [be] unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.


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2Cr 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


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2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.


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2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


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2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


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2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.


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2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


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2Cr 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.


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2Cr 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but [we do] all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.


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Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:


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Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:


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Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


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Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


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Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


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Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:


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Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:


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Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:


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Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.


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Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],


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Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:


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Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


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Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


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Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


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Phl 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:


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Phl 1:13 So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other [places];


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Phl 2:1 If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,


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Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:


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Phl 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


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Phl 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


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Phl 4:21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.


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Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


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Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,


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Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


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Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.


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1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] of the Jews:


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1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


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1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


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1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


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1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


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1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,


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2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


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2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.


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2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


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2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


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Phm 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.


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Phm 1:8 Wherefore, though I might be much bold in Christ to enjoin thee that which is convenient,


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Phm 1:23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus;


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1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


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1Pe 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace [be] with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.



Act 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.


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Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


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Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


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Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


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Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,


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Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.


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Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:


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Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.


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Rom 16:9 Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.


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Rom 16:10 Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' [household].


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1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


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1Cr 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


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1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.


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1Cr 4:10 We [are] fools for Christ's sake, but ye [are] wise in Christ; we [are] weak, but ye [are] strong; ye [are] honourable, but we [are] despised.


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1Cr 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


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1Cr 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.


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1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.


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1Cr 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.


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1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


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1Cr 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.


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1Cr 16:24 My love [be] with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. [[[The first [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.]]]


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2Cr 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;


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2Cr 2:14 Now thanks [be] unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.


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2Cr 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


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2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.


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2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


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2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


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2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.


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2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


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2Cr 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.


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2Cr 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but [we do] all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.


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Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:


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Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:


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Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


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Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


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Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


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Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:


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Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:


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Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:


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Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.


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Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],


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Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:


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Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


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Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


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Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


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Phl 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:


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Phl 1:13 So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other [places];


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Phl 2:1 If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,


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Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:


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Phl 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


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Phl 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


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Phl 4:21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.


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Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


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Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,


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Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:


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Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.


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1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] of the Jews:


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1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


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1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


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1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


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1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


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1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,


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2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


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2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.


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2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.


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2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


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2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


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Phm 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.


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Phm 1:8 Wherefore, though I might be much bold in Christ to enjoin thee that which is convenient,


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Phm 1:23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus;


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1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


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1Pe 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace [be] with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

The in Christ position. How many times must it be stated for us to believe that Christ is Born Again in us by a Father. It takes son's to be a Father. It takes A Father to be son's. The birthing comes from A Father, that is God the Father, That is why Jesus said for the First time,"Pray in this way, Our Father".

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


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1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.


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1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.


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1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.


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1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Born of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The Word of God: John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

How else can we be born again of Spirit and the Water of Life unless it is Christ Jesus Birthed in you?

Christ liveth in me: Phillip


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""As brother David asked...what men teach this doctrine? Does this doctrine have it's roots in Shuler's ministry out there in California""

No. It has its roots in the Word of God, Jesus Christ Himself the Son of God, making us son's of God Just like Jesus was born of Mary by the Seed of God the Father by the Holy Spirit, so also are we son's by the placing of the incorruptable Seed of Christ in the believer.

Romans 1:1-15 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

In Christ, who is birthed in me: Phillip


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