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| | We preach Christ within us | | Quote:
It is horrible advise to yoke together with any false religion in order to evangelize people.
I think the verse about being yoked together is often used out of context. It refers to partnership with the world, leaning on it, trusting it, thinking like it. We often hear it used to tell a Christian not to marry a non-Christian. It so happens that some wives discover that their husbands are really unbelievers or only nominal Christians (or vise versa). So suddenly this application wont work, because to divorce would contradict another scripture.
Even if ones spouse is saved, a Christian must be yoked with Christ, not their husbands. So it is with our Christian work. We are to be yoked with Christ. (a big topic) Our participation even in Christian organizations is not to be equated as being yoked with Christ.
You will find yourself very frustrated if you try to find an organization that follows what you believe is right. Im not sure if it exists, for even if it has the ideal doctrine (in our estimation), there will be people who dont follow it in their lives. Or there will be people who are legalistic within their own ranks they arent submitted to the Spirit of Christ, who lack love.. etc
Why not let the Lord guide your steps? Spend a lot of time like Mary who sat at his feet. Then his thoughts, rather than your own convictions, will dominate your choices. As you become more and more like Christ, those who are spiritually hungry will see it in you no matter where you are or what you are doing.
I have a unique example. I organized and led an evangelistic effort in my town this summer through drama/music and message. Most of the people involved were not saved. Many were unchurched teens, kids, and adults from the community. The one who headed up the props was an atheist. The minister who worked with me was a United Church liberal thinker.
I still am not recovered from the shock of the result. God took over. The town hall was packed with people many who normally never go to church. The message was powerful through words and music. It was a clear clarion call to make a choice. If they continue to follow the world , they will reject Christ who is radically different. The participants all heard the message clearly. God blessed the work beyond imagination. But above all, many had the opportunity to learn that they just cant flow along with the ways of society.
Just bloom where God places you and be as Christ to them. Of course you will not agree with some of the doctrine or behavior of those God may place you with. But through the working together, as iron sharpens iron, you will grow in your character and develop a stronger testimony of Christ within you. Trust God to work in spite of the flaws in doctrine. He can, for it is ultimately Christ himself who saves and ministers to the sinner. We are just very flawed servants.
Diane
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|  2005/9/6 12:04 | Profile |
| | Re: We preach Christ within us | | How can you yoke together with a false religion in order to evangelize? Thats the question... and the answer is, you cant. That scripture about being unequally yoked is not so hard to understand. People make it hard to understand.
Krispy |
| | 2005/9/6 12:21 | |
| | Yeshuaismy Lord | | loved this quote of yours:
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There are SOOO many hoopes to jump thru, so many tests that ONLY GOD can provide the solution.I.e. Pride of Pastors, Pride of people, hard hearts, no desperation for revival..etc.
that was a good word.
my advice on the whole thing?......stay disciplined in your prayer closet and keep on keeping on in Jesus Name. |
| | 2005/9/6 16:18 | | ZekeO
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| | Unity of the word and spirit | | Quote:
KrispyKrittr wrote:
How can you yoke together with a false religion in order to evangelize? Thats the question... and the answer is, you cant. That scripture about being unequally yoked is not so hard to understand. People make it hard to understand.
Krispy
Let me first say that I have completely no idea who these two groups are that you are talking about. They are just names to me.
Secondly let me ask you a question, do you consider these groupings christian but believe different or are they a cult?
Thirdly, if indeed you view them as a cult/unbelievers where do you draw the line between someone who sees scripture different to you and someone who is indeed involved in an a cult or these two groups we are talking about?
The reason that I ask is because over the last while I have been meditating on the relationship between the pharisees and Jesus. The pharisees knew the word backwards (they're Jewish) and most probably forwards and sideways, but when Jesus came along he did not fit into any paradigm of what the messiah should be like.
We can know the word so well and quote all the right scriptures, but if Jesus had to come like he did the first time would I crucify him? That thought sobbers me. Would I have acted the same as the pharisees in defence of the truth. Of course these are my own feelings about this, I'm sure you would never have that problem. ;-)
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| | 2005/9/6 17:02 | Profile |
| | Re: Unity of the word and spirit | | Quote:
It is horrible advise to yoke together with any false religion in order to evangelize people.
I heard this from a brother in the Lord.
When the bible says 'dont be yoked by them' or something of that nature it means 'controlled'.
A 'yoke' is the thing that pulls the carriage attached to a horse.
[url=http://www.answers.com/yoke&r=67]Yoke[/url] means "A bar used with a double harness to connect the collar of each horse to the pole of a wagon or coach."
Who is pulling who is the question? So, not allowing them to preach 'baptism/tounge=salvation' then that's not being 'yoked' by them.
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ZekeO wrote:
The reason that I ask is because over the last while I have been meditating on the relationship between the pharisees and Jesus. The pharisees knew the word backwards (they're Jewish) and most probably forwards and sideways, but when Jesus came along he did not fit into any paradigm of what the messiah should be like.
Now that made me laugh :-P (backwards part)
Good challenge, no need to start a new thread (unless you think it will be indepth). [b] What makes a 'cult' a 'cult'? [/b]
Thinking about the whole idea of 'being in jail and the Father bailing you out'. Could the Father say 'but I have one request of you, that you jump this 'hoop''.
No, i don't believe that, but think about it. And ponder it more.
Two new questions then.
[b] What makes a 'cult' a 'cult'? [/b]
Are the Church of Christ and Pentacostal Oneness saved? |
| | 2005/9/6 21:54 | |
| | Re: We preach Christ within us | | Quote:
I think the verse about being yoked together is often used out of context....
Even if ones spouse is saved, [b]a Christian must be yoked with Christ[/b], not their husbands. So it is with our Christian work. We are to be yoked with Christ. (a big topic) Our participation even in Christian organizations is not to be equated as being yoked with Christ...
[b]I have a unique example[/b]. I organized and led an evangelistic effort in my town this summer through drama/music and message. [b]Most of the people involved were not saved[/b]. Many were unchurched teens, kids, and adults from the community. The one who headed up the props was [b]an atheist[/b]. The minister who worked with me was a United Church [b]liberal thinker.
I still am not recovered from the shock of the result. God took over[/b]. The town hall was packed with people many who normally never go to church. The message was powerful through words and music. It was a clear clarion call to make a choice...
Just bloom where God places you and be as Christ to them....
[b]it is ultimately Christ himself who saves and ministers to the sinner[/b]...
This is an interesting blend of openness to God, personal faith and sound doctrine. Hallelujah!
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| | 2005/9/6 21:56 | |
| | Re: Unity of the word and spirit | | Zeke, this quote of yours hit the Nail right on the head.
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We can know the word so well and quote all the right scriptures, but if Jesus had to come like he did the first time would I crucify him?
thats a Nail right thru the heart when we contemplate that bit o truth.
ouch.
Glory!!! |
| | 2005/9/6 22:39 | | ZekeO
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YeshuaIsMyGd wrote:
Two new questions then.
[b] What makes a 'cult' a 'cult'? [/b]
Are the Church of Christ and Pentacostal Oneness saved?
I think that the term 'false religion' would maybe keep the discussion centred on these two expressions, for that is the term that has been used on this thread in regards to these two groups.
A good place to start in regards to a cult is their attitude and belief towards Jesus Christ, both parts Jesus the Christ. I know we have spoken about it before maybe Christ Jesus, apparently there is a difference. :-?
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| | 2005/9/7 0:40 | Profile |
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When the bible says 'dont be yoked by them' or something of that nature it means 'controlled'.
The Bible does not say 'dont be yoked [b]by[/b] them'... it says "Do not be unequally yoked [b]together[/b]" ... which indicates two oxen working together. Partnership, relationship.
How can you come on here and discuss scripture when you dont even know what scripture says? You're not even quoting it correctly.
Krispy |
| | 2005/9/7 8:24 | |
| | Re: | | [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%206%20;&version=49;]2 Corinthians 6[/url]
16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
There is NO agreement. With other brethren, we CAN agree on simple things. To say a 'basic' work is apart of salvation, it is. But it doesn't save you.
Okay, i just went to the 'church of Christ' and Pentacostal Oneness/UPCI.
[url=http://www.upci.org/doctrine/apostles.asp#salvation]UPCI[/url]
Looking at that, its more than just the 'tounges' arguement. And i can't let someone minister the TRUE gospel if they deny the trinity.
[url=http://church-of-christ.org/church-of-christ/JMB.html]Church of Christ[/url]
*excerpts*
You should know, to enter the church, you must:
Believe in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 11:6; John 8:24; Acts 16:31)
Repent of your sins (Turn away from your sins) (Luke 13:3; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 17:30)
Confess faith in Jesus (Matthew 10:32; Acts 8:37; Romans 10:9-10)
Be baptized into the saving blood of Jesus Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 10:48; Acts 22:16)
You should know that by baptism:
You are saved from sins (Mark 16:16 1 Peter 3:21)
You have remission of sins (Acts 2:38)
Sins are washed away by the blood of Christ (Acts 22:16; Hebrews 9:22; Hebrews 10:22; 1 Peter 3:21)
You enter into the church (1 Corinthians 12:13; Acts 2:41,47)
You enter into Christ (Galatians 3:26-27; Romans 6:3-4)
You put on Christ and become a child of God (Galatians 3:26-27)
You are born again, a new creature (Romans 6:3-4; 2 Corinthians 5:17)
You walk in newness of life (Romans 6:3-6)
You obey Christ (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 10:48; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9)
And from a few different links to their own personal churches, it just seems they put baptism in high regard, as did the Apostles. (Oh there is water, what refrains me from getting baptised).
So, i think if involving with the UPCI, i say bluntly, NO. And with church of Christ, yes.
also, my mistake on the scriptures. (about the yoke) |
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