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JaySaved
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 Emergent movement

Found this article, wanting some thoughts

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050820/NEWS/508200328/1021

 2005/8/23 16:54Profile
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 Re: Emergent movement

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NOT `RELIGIOUS'



I find something very dangerous in this movement. There is an mixing of the world and of Christ so that people would not know the difference in many ways. It caters to the flesh and to please men but does not always ask what is the perfect and pleasing will of God. Christianity is COUNTER cultral, it is an thorn in the side of the flesh and the world. People don't want to hear the truth of God preached in its purity so they heap to themselves people who will cater to [b]their[/b] needs and comfortabilities.

I am sure that God is using some churches in this movment to save people and disciple them but my heart is to see the apostolic back in place in modern days. The book of Acts is our guidelines for how to be the church.


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 2005/8/23 17:04Profile
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This recent message by David Wilkerson seems that it may touch on this although he doesn't mention this movement by name.

It's called Seeking The Face of God. You can download it at the link below.

http://www.timessquarechurch.org/sermons/index.htm

Mike


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 2005/8/23 17:16Profile
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 Re: LIBERALIZATION OF CHURCH SERVICE

This article appeared in our local paper about 2 weekends ago. There was a picture that accompanied the article that caused me to flinch as well, as one of the young ladies leading worship was doing so with her arms folded. This may just be a sign that I am getting old and grumpy..
LOL Greg :-o


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 2005/8/23 19:46Profile
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 Re: Smokey on 2005/8/24 0:46:46

Your not grumpy God is Holy and we are to be respectfull. Just a thought she might have been tired or she may be a person who out of habit, always folds her arms. I have seen some children and people do this.


ellie

 2005/8/23 19:56Profile









 Re: Emergent movement

I love this subject, as I consider some of the ideas behind the emergent church desperately needed within the church in America.

I'm at the end of my time today online, because there's a small man with me who needs to go to piano lessons, but I wanna make this comment about the article......isn't it funny, how they picked the "Well"?.....meaning isn't it funny they picked a church that was even CONSIDERING joining the PCUSA for covering.

I consider myself "emergent" (whatever that means) and I would never be part of an assembly that would consider joining a denomination like the Presbyterian church of the USA...or Episcoplian...these two demoninations do two things that are just an ANATHEMA to any Spirit-filled follower of Jesus......stand for abortion andforthe ordination of gay priests.

those are no-go's!! absolutely non-negoatible.

But equally repugnant (to me) (and to a Lord that commanded His disciple to "sheath the sword") ...equally repugnant is this vicious, senseless, and UNWINNABLE war in Iraq.

(I say UNWINNABLE, because NOBODY has coherently spelled out the conditions of victory in Iraq...ITS SIN......if you call out abortion as sin, be consistent in the Holy Spirit and call an unjust war what it is....SIN)

I gotta LOT LOT more to testify on this....the emergent church, and I do believe an emergent church CAN be 1st century apostolic, and I do believe the witness of Christ is NOT a thorn, but the sweet sweet Fragrance of Life to those who are dying.

Gotta go.

 2005/8/23 20:24









 a few more thoughts on the emergent movement

There are three elements of corporate worship that I really would love to see at the church I call home.

1. Seating in the round.
I would love to see churches move to this model where everyone has to actually LOOK at others, instead of the back of heads.

2. To borrow the "worship-sharing" model from the Quakers. That means a meeting would be this:

as the Spirit leads, you share with the group, whether it be Scripture, a testimony, a praise report, a prayer request, anything AS THE HOLY SPIRIT leads. as I undestand it, the rule is that only one person may speak at a time, there must be a space of silence between two people speaking, and no one may speak twice until all have had a turn. at a house church in Topanga, we were blessed enough to try this, and it was a most blessed meeting.

3. the Agape or love feast as a every Lord's day occurence. That the church make a meal together, and break bread together after every Sunday service. This to me is crucial. To eat together is a powerful elemental communal experience, it's a love thing, it's a Jesus thing.

 2005/8/23 21:28
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 Re: a few more thoughts on the emergent movement

David Wilkerson just preached a sermon that mentions the emergent church.

[url=http://www.timessquarechurch.org/sermons/index.htm]Seeking The Face Of God[/url]. Preached on Aug. 21 2005.


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 2005/8/24 1:12Profile









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I find something very dangerous in this movement. There is an mixing of the world and of Christ so that people would not know the difference in many ways. It caters to the flesh and to please men but does not always ask what is the perfect and pleasing will of God. Christianity is COUNTER cultral, [b]it is an thorn in the side of the flesh and the world[/b]. People don't want to hear the truth of God preached in its purity so they heap to themselves people who will cater to their needs and comfortabilities.

Greg,

It depends what the raw material is, whether it's inappropriate to make people feel culturally comfortable at the beginning of their searching for answers in life.

There is something called an 'Alpha course' in the UK, which has been very successful in introducing young adults to Christ. The course has been adapted for specialist use, too. It goes so far as to invite complete strangers (who sign up) to a meal every week, followed by discussion groups. There are no 'no go' areas of disbelief or apathy towards God, because the people that come are not to be pressurised into choosing to make a commitment to Christ. However, over a third of any one course, usually do. These people become proper Christians and are invited back to church and to a Beta course.

What the article described [i]first[/i] was a discussion in which people were invited to consider Jesus as the model for living. How can that cater to their 'comfortabilities'? (What an absolutely brilliant word, bro. (I [i]love[/i] new words!)

'[b]it is an thorn in the side of the flesh and the world[/b]'
This is very true, and as people find themselves more and more hungry for truth, they will bear that thorn willingly, rather than die eternally.

The vast majority of the article, discussing the writings of someone who is willing to put key topics like 'hell' into the melting pot, instead of presenting it as a truth to be accepted, [i]are[/i] dangerous. But can I say, you could easily find 25% of the believers who 'worship' on an average Sunday willing to question the existence of hell and Satan.

That's why I wouldn't be over-critical of the 'emergent church', which without doubt, will be a conduit for some people to meet with God for the first time, or, to become acquainted with deeper truth, or renew a jaded commitment to Him.

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I gotta LOT LOT more to testify on this....the emergent church, and I do believe an emergent church CAN be 1st century apostolic, and I do believe [b]the witness of Christ is NOT a thorn, but the sweet sweet Fragrance of Life to those who are dying[/b].

It is good to hear you say this, bro. This brings much-needed courage to testimony. If it hadn't been for the equivalent movement in the UK, I wouldn't know the Lord as I do now. The smell of death and anointing oil, is indeed relevant today.

 2005/8/25 2:47
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 Re: Emergent movement

'The intellectual leader of the movement is Brian McLaren...And in his latest book, "The Last Word and the Word After That," McLaren questions the existence of hell.'

That's really all we should have to read.

Matt 23:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Oh yeah. The jeans stuff, and meeting independently is fine, but when you start skipping verses, and leaving out the other side of the coin, you aren't really liberal, moderate, or conservative, you just qualify yourserlf as lukewarm. I hear about people disbelieving in hell, and when this new movement says that same thing, that just shows it is not really new at all. It just has on different garb.

I don't really care what you wear or where you meet. Tell me why you need a Saviour, and then tell me why you repented.


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