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Eli_Barnabas
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Letsgetbusy,

Is there anything wrong with the director depicting Jesus falling down? The Bible is not particular about the details surrounding the passion, thus, the director would have to interpret for himself, wouldn't he? I find it strange that you are opposing the fact he fell down. It's not Biblical, true, but neither do we know the color of the donkey he rode in on, etc... I just found that strange that you are arguing that.

The passion is very Catholic. What can we expect from a Catholic director? You can't deny the film was not doctrinally incorrect in portraying Jesus as the Son of God, atoning sacrifice and risen Lord. There are added things but they don't seem to remove these fundamental elements (unless I'm wrong, anyone?).

I don't seem to remember a levitating cross. When Jesus speaks to the crying women on His way to Calvary he actually says:

[i]"A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!' Then
" 'they will say to the mountains, "Fall on us!"
and to the hills, "Cover us!" For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"[/i] - Luke 23:27-31

But this is changed to something different in the movie.

Anyway, thought I'd just add these points.

In Christ,
-Eli


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Eli Brayley

 2005/8/30 12:05Profile









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I just saw the movie: "The Cross and the Switchblade", it was excellent! Watch it, you will be blessed!



Great story, but the movie is extremely cheesy by today's standard. Someone should remake it.

Krispy

 2005/8/30 12:19
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:-) I really enjoyed it.


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Eli Brayley

 2005/8/30 13:19Profile
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 Re: decent movies

If you are interested in "A" quality non-chessy productions let me suggest a couple of films. These films aren't Christian in an evangelical sense at all, but they do portray Christian themes as well as Christians in a profound and edifying light.

"To End All Wars "(2001)Based on a true story. Scottish and British prisoners during WWII are captured and placed in a Japanese P.O.W. camp during World War II. In the midst of humiliation, violence, and starvation, they have to decide whether it will be hate or forgiveness that feeds their souls. Half of the prisoners risk everything to take revenge on the gaurds, while the other half risk everything to secretly read a bible they have. Because of it's gritty depiction of suffering, this movie is rated R.

"I Am David" (2005) Teenage Children could watch this PG rated film. It's based on a a Novel "North to Freedom" which is the moving story of a little boy that has escaped a cold war concentration camp. As he finds his way into western Europe he has to learn the concept of trust. As the movie progresses it reveals an unexpected metaphor for the gospel.

Well that's my movie review!8-)

MC


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Mike Compton

 2005/8/30 13:32Profile
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All the info I got was from that site listed. I included the levitating comment hoping maybe someone would support or defend the statement, to bring light to it. I only saw the film once, so I don't remember the cross levitating either, to be honest, but I remember mentioning all the errors that I noticed while watching the film with my wife. It did brings tears, but it is not an accurate film.

The 3 falls are part of the Catholic stations of the cross. Please check it out for yourself:

http://www.theworkofgod.org/

http://www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/Stations/stations-wayofthecross.htm

My point was just to answer the question of whether or not it was a Catholic movie, and to show what scenes are heavily Catholic and/or non-Biblical. The 3 falls of Christ fall into both of these categories.

I don't hate Mel Gibson, I don't even know him, but the movie was Catholic, not Biblical, just as Gibson is.

My issue with the movie is that it adds to the Scripture, just as Catholicism does. Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and many other things we do, but add un-Biblical doctrine that is unnecessary. Believing that Jesus is the Son of God isn't enough, even demons believe and tremble. Wesley said:

"For, even the devils believe that Christ was born of a virgin: that he wrought all kinds of miracles, declaring himself very God: that, for our sakes, he suffered a most painful death, to redeem us from death everlasting; that he rose again the third day: that he ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father and at the end of the world shall come again to judge both the quick and dead. These articles of our faith the devils believe, and so they believe all that is written in the Old and New Testament. And yet for all this faith, they be but devils. They remain still in their damnable estate lacking the very true Christian faith."

I respect your opinions, and I think you carry weight in your comments, so I'm surprised that you are defending the 14 stations of the cross. But I just kindly disagree with you on that point, I suppose. I have lots of friends that love the movie, have the book, watch it on Easter, etc.

Maybe I am a little extreme, but I don't like anything that is not of truth, and there are things in the film that are not truthful. I am especially sensitive when Jesus is the subject. I love Him more than anything or anyone, so I tend to analyze things concerning Him.


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Hal Bachman

 2005/8/30 13:52Profile









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letsgetbusy... in this day of ecumenism you should not be surprised that most Christians do not recognize the Catholic movie "The Passion" as being Catholic. We are not teaching why Catholocism is unbiblical in our churches today because it might offend someone. So ignorance is bliss.

But I'm with you on your opinions about the movie. You're right on the money.

Krispy

 2005/8/30 14:01
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 Re: Luther

Anyone here have an opinion on "Luther"? (2003)


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Mike Compton

 2005/8/30 14:56Profile
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I really liked "Luther." There was one scene that I thought was a little much (the comic with the flute, for those who saw). Luther was pretty heavy, though, from what I have heard and read. I did like the movie.

What about "The Apostle"? I saw that before I was saved, and I remember just weeping after the movie. That guy who had stood by the preacher all that time getting saved at the end was just really heavy. Anyone have opinions of that one?


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Hal Bachman

 2005/8/30 15:06Profile
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 Re: Preacher story

letsgetbusy,

I have a fun memory related to the "the Apsotle"

I had lunch with the fine preacher that Robert Duval studied to model his character after. (This fellow actually appeared in the beginning of the movie...he was the preacher running up and down the asiles jingling his car keys crying out "He's got the keys. He's got the keys".)Many pieces of Duvals character were borrowed from this preacher such as throwing the disruptive racist out of his church. (Not the incident witht the baseball bat mind you!!)

Anyways, this joyful pastor knew how to tell a story. He said that on the Sunday Mr.Duval and some of his film company came to visit the church that the Lord told him to not lighten up his message for these guys. He said smiling, "So I hit preached 'em right between the eyes. I told 'em heaven is real and hell is hot!" Aftwerward he said he prayed heavily over each one of the visitors including Mr. Duval himself, annointing them with oil. He recalled each one of the visitors vividly saying things like "Oh we got a live one here..."

He said, during the several weeks that the writing team was shadowing him, he was able to share the gospel repeatedly with them. It would be interesting to see what has transpired since then...

MC


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Mike Compton

 2005/8/30 15:56Profile









 My views on "The Passion of Christ"

bless God that it was made. For all those complaining about the roman parentage of the film had well do to consider how many sinners were brought to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the fact that so much filth is made in the Los Angeles basin, and here is this film that deals with the Lord's atoning sacrifice.

It should be celebrated that Mel had the vision to see this work thru, after no studio would touch it.

A word of caution, see this film only once, as we do not want to be desensitized to the offense of the Cross.

Glory to God!!

 2005/8/30 20:21





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