| Poster | Thread | twayneb
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13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
*I think this is called hyperbole when he says 'if I could speak all the languages in the world and even heaven'.*
I think your assessment of this scripture is spot on.
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Travis
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|  2024/2/7 15:47 | Profile | twayneb
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I also believe tongues will be a known, human language. However, I must be honest and say that scripture nowhere limits this either. But I agree with your perspective on that.”
Many of those that received the Baptism of HS at Azusa believed that they were receiving a foreign language to go forth into the nations and preach the gospel in the language of the people. There have been many instances of tongues being released in meetings that were perfectly understood by people from other nations.
I completely agree. My Great Grandfather once preached a 30 minute sermon in Mexico in fluent Spanish. But, he did not know Spanish. There was an interpreter. He expected to speak in English and have it interpreted. However, the Holy Spirit had another idea and he felt prompted to speak in tongues. He did and it was understood.
Interestingly enough, my Great Grandfather also ministered alongside Charles Parham's son and daughter-in-law in the part of the country where I live. Once within literal blocks of where I am sitting right now.
You are right. Many of the early pentacostals believed that tongues were for supernatural evangelism where a person did not know the language. There is not one shred of Biblical support for it, but on occasion it did happen. Many times people were in presumption and it failed miserably.
There is a legitimate danger in this. We are prone to presume and act instead of being led genuinely by the Holy
Spirit. This has caused many people to distrust these "gifts", and rightfully so I think. I think motives are wrong so often. I know this because I am human and have to also check my motives. I have had the wrong motive at times. I think we all have. If the motive for the gifts is my own exaltation as "spiritual", then I am way off track and I will cause these things to be spoken of as evil. And I would have myself to blame for this. I should have spent time on my knees, checking my motive, and making sure I was hearing from God before I acted.
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| | 2024/2/7 15:59 | Profile | KervinM
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| | Re: | | Mark. 11.
"[23] For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."
With all due respect, this does not look like a hyperbole in this context of the Lord.
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| | 2024/2/8 1:25 | Profile | brendaM
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| | Re: | | Travis
At Babel,
"Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
But at Pentecost, this ancient limitation is reversed so that 'all of us hear them speaking in our own languages about the great things that God has done!' (Acts 2.13).
The Jews in Jerusalem would know of this reversal, but if they still refused to acknowledge the Son of God under such a revelation and miracle, the judgement of the Tower of Babel would be reinforced, as they refused to unite with their fellow Jews who were now saved, showing their pride, the thing that God hates, and was the reason for the curse of Babylon. This is the sign for unbelievers, to give them an opportunity to repent.
//This is where the disagreement comes in so many times. Paul said, "I pray in tongues more than you all." This was not the gift of tongues with accompanying interpretation. This was devotional prayer in tongues.//
Travis, there is no verse that warrants this interpretation from my understanding. Paul himself spoke many languages naturally and as the foremost missionary, he would also be the one most worthy of a gift of foreign language speaking that he had not learned, if this was the meaning.
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| | 2024/2/8 4:20 | Profile | brendaM
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| | Re: | | Today, we are seeing the curse of Babylon re-enacted, as words lose their meanings bringing forth a crisis of meaning. The modern world despairs of knowing what is true and in the absence of truth it will have only division and conflict. |
| | 2024/2/8 4:41 | Profile | KervinM
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| | Re: | | My last words are, may those who are able to pray in tongues as the Spirit gives them utterance so continue and be not discouraged at all. As long as you know you also seek after holiness you shoul be good. As it is said:
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Also, remembering the below:
"Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! It were better..."My last words are, may those who are able to pray in tongues as the Spirit gives them utterance so continue and be not discouraged at all. As long as you know you also seek after holiness you shoul be good. As it is said:
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Also, remembering the below:
"Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! It were better..."
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| | 2024/2/8 6:40 | Profile | murrcolr
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| | Re: | | Here is my two pence worth.
When I picked up the Bible on a fishing boat in the North Sea and read, I did not come out believing like a Cessationist.
No I read about Acts 2 and how the Holy Spirit came and fell on Pentecost and I asked for the same thing.
That's exactly what happen to me when the wind blew onto me and I spoke in a new language.
1. I read the bible
2. I believed what I read.
3. I asked for the Holy Spirit
4. I received the Holy Spirit
5. I spoke in a new language.
All this before going to a church.
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| | 2024/2/9 5:19 | Profile | ChrisA
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| | Re: | | Lovely testimony, Colin. |
| | 2024/2/9 6:26 | Profile | AbideinHim
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| | Re: | | Thanks for sharing Colin. praise God that you didn’t go to a church that tried to talk you out of your experience with the baptism with Holy Spirit, and speaking in tongues I praise God that I came to the Lord through the charismatic movement when the Holy Spirit was being poured out in the late 60s and early 70s, and I was baptized in the Holy Spirit .
We didn’t have all of our doctrines right and in place, but we had experience with God.
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| | 2024/2/9 7:55 | Profile | twayneb
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| | Re: | | Amen Colin. I believe that this is Biblical, and of God.
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