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TMK
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Scripture says Jesus WAS tempted. But you are saying you are not.

What gives?


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Todd

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Brenda,

I guess that Jesus' command to me to encourage you daily not to be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin was unnecessary. Strange. We are to encourage one another daily to beware of being hardened by the deceitfulness of sin except that the second sanctification crowd is exempted from the need for this encouragement. If you are wrong and you don't get this encouragement, feel you need it or give it to one another, guess what ?

Likewise, I pose this question to you. In the Colossians letter, Paul prays for the saints that are well known for their true faith in Jesus and their love "in the Spirit" for all the saints. He says, based on the fact that they are walking in the light and in the the Spirit ( 1 John 1), that he constantly and without stop prays for them this prayer:

For this reason also, since the day we heard this, we haven’t stopped praying for you. We are asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding, so that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him: bearing fruit in every good work and growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, so that you may have great endurance and patience, joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the saints’ inheritance in the light. He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son he loves. In him we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. -- Colossians 1:9-14 (CSB)

What is the point of praying for these things constantly for people who are already as you would suggest constantly walking in the light, in the Spirit, in His will, bearing fruit, etc. ? Answer, it is a daily need because it is daily to be asked for and daily to be given.

This point is made most simply and clearly in Luke 11 in the Lord's prayer when all the things the Lord says to pray for (His will to be done, forgiveness, fleeing temptation and being delivered from the evil one) are undeniably equated in the passage with asking the good Father for His Spirit (daily) and of course, when we do, for the purposes given in the daily Lord's prayer, He will gladly give. Maybe the Lord's prayer (commanded) isn't for everyone?


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Robert

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Todd l did say that there was the constant temptation to slip up and do things in the flesh from seeing things through the eyes of the flesh is not from a spiritual perspective.

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Robert you still need prayer for wisdom and for strength to prevent one from falling etc.

No the Lords prayer is to ask for entire sanctification. It starts off with Our Father who art in heaven not within us via the Holy Spirit.

Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven is the giveaway.

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Robert prayers in scripture depend on the spiritual condition of the one(s) prayed for.

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“What is the point of praying for these things constantly for people who are already as you would suggest constantly walking in the light, in the Spirit, in His will, bearing fruit, etc. ? Answer, it is a daily need because it is daily to be asked for and daily to be given.”

Thank you Brother Robert! We should be praying the Apostolic prayers for the Church and ourselves on a daily basis. I don’t know any saint that has arrived at full maturity yet. The Apostle Paul said this: “Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.“ (Philippians 3:12-14)


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"and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors..."(Matth 6:12 ESV)

"Primarily, therefore, the words "our debts" represent sins of omission, and "trespasses" the transgression of a law, sins of commission. The distinction, however, though convenient, is more or less technical. Every transgression implies the non-fulfilment of duty in a more aggravated form, and the memory of both presents itself to the awakened conscience under the character of an ever-accumulating debt. Even the sins against our neighbour are, in this sense, debts which we have incurred to God, " (Ellicott's Commentary )

If we believe we don't sin anymore then we don't ask God for forgiveness anymore. We are accumulating our sins before God ! This is very serious.

Markus

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