| Poster | Thread | drifter
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| | Re: | | "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
I refuse to be afraid of men like these, or be cowed by threats that I am "touching the Lord's anointed" or committing the unforgivable sin by using my critical thinking faculties. If their practices and teachings cannot be found in the Bible, I reject them.
Kilpatrick "prophesied" to Hank Hanegraaf during the Pensacola outpouring that if he didn't stop being critical of the outpouring God would "bring him down" within 90 days. It of course did not happen.
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|  2023/12/11 21:08 | Profile | staff
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| | Re: | | Hi Drifter,
I believe in Prophesy in the Church but its very hard to take this nonsense and its hard to watch the Church being given the run around and Prophesy being given a bad rap,
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| | 2023/12/11 21:58 | Profile | CofG
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| | Re: | | Doesn't it seem like the majority of prophesy spoken of in the NT isn't about predicting future events but rather about encouraging the church to pursue the things of God and to flee the things of the world when it needs as the extant case may be through either or both admonitions and rebukes ? Like ES has said, way too much of what is called prophetic is about fortune telling or if it's right, words of knowledge. This most likely because of the wow factor of signs and wonder and its attraction.
There are obviously times when God wants to let people know what He is about to do. Most prophesy though, even in the OT, is either to direct His people to go (physically or spiritually) in a certain direction or to grow in a certain way. Our fleshly desires prefer the wow of grand predictions and so you have them gathering around or to themselves those who can tickle.
Prophesy is for building up and the signs and wonders kind of fortelling as God wills can add to that, but the substance and the meat of prophesy is for instruction, correction and rebuke to particular congregations in particular spiritual settings.
We need to correct the prophetic world in this as we are given opportunity because the local church sorely needs God using local everyday people prophesying in local everyday ways so that Christ's people can grow to maturity and the fullness of Him.
This prophetic ministry we see today is not the one Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 12-14. It just isn't. It's often showy and often just attention seeking and attention getting unfortunately and ultimately, when it goes wrong, as it often does, not just in predictive accuracy but also in moral failures, the signs and wonders wow factor has the opposite effect intended of making people disappointed, disillusioned and ultimately very Discouraged. I'm not advocating stoning the false prophet. Just realize the prevalence of future telling prophecy compared to actual words designed and sent for spiritual building up is way out of whack in terms of Scriptural support. At least on YouTube and in my experience, even in Charismatic churches, this seems so.
God gave prophets so that they could equip the saints for them to do the work of ministry to build each other up in loving truth spoken amongst themselves. The Scripture says that is why God gave the church prophets. Where is that prophetic ministry of equipping saints to build one another up? This other stuff has to pass that test and not just the accuracy test.
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| | 2023/12/12 5:08 | Profile | AbideinHim
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| | Re: | | Robert, I agree with you that most prophesy is for the building up of the Body of Christ. There is prophesy of future events and many well known prophets like David Wilkerson were used by God in this area.
John Kilpatrick had a prophesy concerning 911. Many true prophets of God have accurately prophesied concerning future events but have got the timing wrong. As Michael Brown has said, if someone that is called to prophetic ministry misses it on a prophesy, by prophesying out of his soul, it doesn’t make them a false prophet. This is why it is so unjust to be calling John Kilpatrick a false prophet when you are getting information from heresy Hunter websites and more than likely have never even listened to an entire message by him. I have listened to messages and been in meetings where John Kilpatrick spoke for at least 25 years now. I am not boasting, but since some on these forums portray themselves as experts as to who is a false prophet, I will boast in the Lord that I have been putting the Word of God in my heart for 50 years now, and can discern the true from the false in most cases.
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| | 2023/12/12 8:40 | Profile | drifter
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| | Re: | | I agree staff and Robert.
When I read about the ministry of the greatest of the prophets (according to Jesus), John the Baptist, he did no miracles and didn't predict future events.
The only thing he did was bring many, many people to real repentance, and point people to the Lamb of God.
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| | 2023/12/12 8:45 | Profile | drifter
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| | Re: | | Mike, may I have the link to John Kilpatrick's prophesy concerning September 11th, since I can't find it by Google search?
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| | 2023/12/12 8:53 | Profile | CofG
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| | Re: | | Hi Mike.
I don’t know John K. I wasn’t referring to him. Just responding to general comments made on this post about the false and not specifically to him. His preaching seemed fine. Don’t know his past predictions.
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| | 2023/12/12 9:16 | Profile | CofG
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| | Re: | | Mike, I’m interested in your radio ministry concerning prophesy. How many people on your show speak of the Ephesians 4 ministry they do and how many speak of future events and great movements as compared to day in/day out building up ? I’m not accusing. Just interested in audience interest percentage wise for the one or the other.
Another reason I ask is that when people are attracted to or predisposed to particular kind of future then the counterfeit and enemy have an easier target and path.
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| | 2023/12/12 9:23 | Profile | twayneb
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| | Re: | | Quote:
This is why it is so unjust to be calling John Kilpatrick a false prophet when you are getting information from heresy Hunter websites and more than likely have never even listened to an entire message by him.
Mike: Just for the record, I have never heard any "heresy hunters" speak about John K. I went to his website and listened to what he posted. It does not take much perusing his own youtube videos and his own website to discern who he holds in high regard as accurate prophets and to hear what he is actually saying. In one sermon he talks about God giving him prophetic words and anyone who does not heed his words will answer to God and miss out on the good things that will come by heeding his prophecy.
I cannot speak to his past. I am not saying he is insincere. But I do know that he claimed that God said, yet God did not say, and it all went down very opposite to what he claimed God said. The pronunciation of judgement on those who do not listen to him is manipulative at best, especially given that it can be demonstrated that God did not say what John claims God said.
I believe strongly in prophecy, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, and the rest of the gifts. I am a continuationist. I am NOT a restorationist. these things have never ceased since the day of Pentacost. But they must be judged, scripture is clear. Let the prophets speak one after another, and let the others judge.
John K., along with others, are a never ending fountain of "prophecies". It is what keeps people hooked and keeps their ministries afloat. It is like youtube clickbait. It is usually vague, generalized, and much like fortune telling. Not at all like what we see modeled in scripture.
I even heard John give a prophecy that he said was very important and critical. He then began to say that we would soon see people who had held positions in all areas of life out of those positions and new people put in. Those were his words and it was really this vague. This is life. People are ALWAYS moving out of positions and younger people taking their place. This was not God, and this was not prophecy. It was vagaries dressed up in prophetic language and tone.
There is a trend in the charismatic church right now that is getting way off in the weeds and quickly departing from the true gospel. I am not impressed by prophecies, nor am I impressed by signs and wonders. I have experienced the genuine. It is awesome. But it is not what I am seeing from these men.
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| | 2023/12/12 10:28 | Profile | AbideinHim
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| | Re: | | Robert, in the five years that I have done the program on the radio I very seldom talk about prophecy nor have guests on the program that talk about prophecy.
I mainly interview leaders and pastors, and we have discussions on various things, and the main purpose of these interviews is to discuss the word, prayer, and revival. The gifts of the Spirit, signs and wonders are not the main thing. The fruit of the Spirit, spiritual growth, the fullness of Christ, and unity in the Body of Christ, are some of the main things that are discussed, and we do teachings along those lines.
The main calling of God on my life is prayer and intercession, and we are prayer leaders in prayer meetings in DeQuincy Louisiana, and also in our church, which is a house of prayer.
In answering your question about prophecy. We sometimes talk about future events as taught in the word, but we also talk about various prophecies, especially the ones that are of the great revival move of God and awakening that is coming.
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