“The Bible tells us that the plumbline is not the appearance of how God is moving through a ministry. The plumbline is how what they are teaching compares to the Word of God. “

I certainly cannot debate with you on that point. The true Word of God being preached with God confirming His Word by the signs that followed.

How can we ever come into the unity of the Spirit with all the various denominations that are not teaching all of the Word of God?

I never have been impressed with Jesse’s ministry. He is from Louisiana, and there is nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but he kind of went a little over board on that, and also on the false prosperity message.

By the way, there is a true prosperity message and a false one also.

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Mike

How do we know something is truly is the holy spirit by the word of God

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you

John 15:26
The Coming Rejection
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

Galations 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [g]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.


The holy spirit is part of the trinity
Acts 5
New King James Version
Lying to the Holy Spirit

5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

He is God, The bible talks about that the holy spirit testifies of Jesus, The holy spirit does not glorify himself

John 14:15-17
King James Version

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The Bible talks about the holy spirit that if you love me keep my commandments, then I will send the holy spirit to be with you

You cannot have the holy spirit without knowing the word, you can as the holy spirit does whatever it likes

But the bible commands us to test all the spirits

1 John 4:1
Love for God and One Another
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Also Jesus is not going to contradict his word, why would Jesus contradict his previous word as deity


Who is Jesses ministry

If we have some denomations that are going directly against the word of God as there are churches that god takes away there lampstand

Revelation 2:5
Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

A church without a gospel is a social club and we have many social club denominations

I think Denny Kensington when he quoted the greatest deception is self deception and the lord deliver me from this

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Dominic Shiells

Quote: The Bible tells us that the plumbline is not the appearance of how God is moving through a ministry. The plumbline is how what they are teaching compares to the Word of God.

I can remember when I was a young Christian being told you can't just preach a message you must be the message incarnate.

Incarnate meaning: to give bodily form and substance.

In a nut shell you must be the message: it's not enough to preach a message, you must live that message.

Jesus incarnated the Gospel - scripture says that “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. For thousands of years the heart of God was communicated through the Law of Moses and through prophets.

When Christ appeared and dwelt among us a new level of clarity of the nature and character of God was displayed.

Like wise we are to be a letter from Christ, with a message written on our hearts.

And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2 Cor 3:3.

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Colin Murray

Amen Colin!

Colin: I agree insomuch as what you are saying is that the Holy Spirit living in us produces in us the fruit of righteousness. As believers, we don't simply ascribe to a written set of laws or rules, but we have had a rebirth by the Spirit of God. In that respect, we are a living testimony to the world of the power and grace of God to forgive and to transform. And I believe that is what you are saying.

There is a problem though, especially in the modern American church, of making statements similar to what you made, but with a totally different meaning. Those who hold that we absolutely must have sound Biblical interpretation and that we must learn to study the word are viewed as "religious" or "legalistic". It is said that they lack the power of the Holy Spirit. These same people often twist scripture, calling it "new revelation" from the Holy Spirit.

The problem is that 2 Cor. 3:3 is contrasting the approach to God under the law of Moses where man tried in his flesh to be holy, and the transforming power of the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant. But I have heard this verse used so many times to contrast those who are diligent in the written word and those who are "led of the Spirit". I am NOT saying this is what you meant. I think I know better. But what you brought up highlights the false equivocation that happens so often in the American church anyway.

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Travis

Mike: Unity must be around something. There is no such thing as unity for the sake of unity, despite what we teach and believe. True unity, as described by Paul in 1 Cor. 1-3, is a unity of the same mind and same judgement. This same mind must come through the word of God. We have become so loose in our interpretations, often taking scriptures far from their actual meaning to support our own ideas. This is the origin of so many denominations. Understandably we will never agree on everything. We all get things wrong. If I cannot admit I have some things wrong, I am very proud indeed. But those things will be of no consequence if we are properly interpreting scripture. The things dividing the church now are HUGE in their import and not able to be overcome by unity movements. We must get back to the word of God and study it diligently.

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Travis

Travis,

This is the unity that God is looking for:
As you mentioned, It is unity based on the Word of God.
It is the unity of the Spirit.
“There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).
It is the unity that Jesus prayed for in John 17:
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. (John 17:20,21)
True unity is unity in the faith:
“until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”
(Ephesians 4:13)

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Mike

I would add:

1 Cor. 1:10: Now I beseech you brethren by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgement.

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Travis