Francis Chan explains how he became a Bill Johnson loving charismatic ..... An interesting article that mentions quotes from Francis and how and why he changed his views
https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/05/19/francis-chan-explains-how-he-became-a-bill-johnson-loving-charismatic/.

In another video Francis Chan mentions that while he was on the phone to Sam Storms he began to speak in tongues.

Gary,

You said in another thread,

"I don't like to get involved in that type of conversation because every camp or denomination accuses one another of being the false prophet or the false teacher or having false doctrine and we can spend the rest of our lives telling each other whose false and who's not, the fundamentalist Baptist will say unless you're a fundamentalist Baptist you're a liberal , holiness Pentecostals will say unless you are part of our oneness denomination you're a liberal, charismatics will say if you're a hyper charismatic you're a liberal,it just keeps going on, many calvinists will say unless you're a 5-point calvinist you're a Pelagian."


So, are you wanting that type of conversation? Maybe I'm just reading into things and there is suddenly a resurgence of interest in Francis Chan (if so, praise God), or you posted this as a way to try to once again justify hyper charismatica by saying even Chan is one... Which isn't true, as a response to the post I made the other day with a couple of Chans sermons.

Just confused by the irony.

I won't say any more than that right now, because I would love a conversation about these things, as long as we can focus on Jesus and not emotion.

Yeah you're reading into it way too much.

I just posted it for encouragement. That shows our brother Chan has repented from judging and condemning his other brothers in Christ who come from a different stream.


Brother the conversations that I don't like getting into are ones where people start to slander and gossip about brothers in Christ.

I believe they just turn out to be fruitless conversations and gossip sessions where everyone just falls into sin I spent years doing that on sermon index and other places.

I didn't see any fruit and I still don't see fruit coming from that, people can still have a discussion on a subject without going to that level.

Clearly the thrust of Francis Chan's messages and behaviour when it comes to this is that he may disagree with Bill Johnson and Mike bickel and others on some doctrine but he's still loves them and appreciates their ministry for what they bring to the body of Christ and if we all took that position we would have no arguments but fruitful discussion.

Its an encouragement for us to love one another as brothers in Christ.☺️🙏🕎

May God deliver us from a critical fault finding spirit, and may we build up the Church instead of always tearing it down.

Are You Destroying the Church?
By Francis Chan

https://youtu.be/KJph3Z6cfxM?si=8PQinuMpmhFPd_LA

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Mike

We must be careful that we don't create within our own minds a false dichotomy, and that we don't equivocate the meanings of words. We say that anything critical is not loving and that anything loving is not critical. A false dichotomy and in many minds an equivocation of terms. To criticize means to look critically at a doctrine or a teaching, in this case, and carefully compare it to scripture to judge its veracity. We equivocate when we change the meaning to be mean spirited and unloving. The word criticism does not mean that. The word critical can have that meaning in some specific cases. So we have to be careful with our language.

But we are actually COMMANDED by scripture to be critical. Brothers, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits. This is criticism. Mark those that teach another doctrine and avoid them. This is criticism. The Berean were more noble than most and carefully compared what Paul said with the Old Testament scriptures to see if He was legitimate. This is criticism.

Its not that we are unloving. We should love even the vilest of sinners and the most heretical of false teachers. But that does not mean that we do not criticize them. We are commanded to do this, and to publicly call them out.

This used to happen on a local level. A small church would begin to be influenced by a book, a magazine article, or a travelling preacher. The pastor would identify these teachings as being damaging to the body. He would call them out publicly to his congregation and warn them.

With the inception of television and now the internet, these false teachers don't preach on one place geographically. They preach online. So, instead of being called out in one place geographically, they must be called out in the forum of the internet.

This does not mean we do not love them. It means we love the body of Christ for whom Christ died enough to warn them of false teachers.

Travis

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Travis

"With the inception of television and now the internet, these false teachers don't preach on one place geographically. They preach online. So, instead of being called out in one place geographically, they must be called out in the forum of the internet.

This does not mean we do not love them. It means we love the body of Christ for whom Christ died enough to warn them of false teachers."

Brother,
I agree with you that we are to judge and call out false prophets, teachers, and speak the truth, and I could name you pastors that have mega churches that are not preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. They are not preaching repentance, and should be called out.

There are false accusations made very often on these forums concerning true brothers, movements of God, that are harmful to the Body of Christ, that is not true discernment at all, but is based on suspicion, opinions, and even reading articles from heresy hunter websites. It is sad when a brother in the Lord falls, and then critics are happy about it because they called him a false teacher or prophet, and now they can say, "I told you so." The bible has very clear instructions on restoring a brother that has fallen.

There were many heresy hunters, some on these forums that said that the Brownsville Revival was false because of the manifestations that were taking place. But those that were the accusers of strange fire failed to mention that the gospel was being preached under a strong anointing of the Holy Spirit, many were being saved, many back sliders were returning to the Lord, and the saints were being refreshed by the presence of God. Things really have not changed because you can go back to the first great awakening and the same things were happening then. There were many men of God that were greatly used of God at one time that got off in some error. So the right postion to take is to judge how God was moving through their ministry, and also judge the error so it can be used as a warning to prevent it from happening again.

There is much false accusation that comes because of jealousy, selfish ambition, and not rightly dividing the spirit and the soul, not recognizing that in any revival there can be a mixture. Young people need to be discipled, but there are many well meaning saints that quench the Spirit, because any emotional excitement that they see is strange fire to them.

Let us "prove all things and hold fast to that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

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Mike

Amen Travis.

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

It is ironic as when I was working at the Christian bookshop I was looking for good Christian literature to give to my friends and books to recommend and my bar was set at walter Martin's kingdoms of the cults standard basically they believed in things like the trinity and the deity of jesus and other things that were not cult like
I found it very hard with the bar set very low

My heart breaks as all i would like is an in personal bible study but it is so hard as when you have read commentaries for fun as I so want the holy spirit and feel like the worst sinner
I.would love more in person bible studies

I have read Francis Chan books and can give you a synopsis with some of his quotes and his book crazy love he tries to give you the wrong cure for the problem

What amazes me it was people listen to and you see how many views false teachers get and it is not that hard to simply go through the bible verse by verse and actually learn something through the scriptures

I am terrible at greek and Hebrew my language side of learning a language is turned of and would take a miracle

I have wondered whether we are in the great apostasy but In the scriptures that the apostasy reveals the antichrist and then remembering the time of Martin Luther when the Catholic church was ruling

I have always wondered how the great apostasy reveals the antichrist

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Dominic Shiells

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Travis

Francis Chan - “God Might Kill You If You Criticize Church Leaders”

I heard that all the time from the abusive controlling pastor.

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Colin Murray