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 I assumed they at least lived in Gaza


While their people languish in poverty and are treated as human shields, the leaders of Hamas live billionaire lifestyles.

The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering total of $11 billion and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.

The emirate has long welcomed the leaders of the terror group and installed them in its luxury hotels and villas at the same time as it hosts a vast American military presence.

Now US Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) is sponsoring a bill that would strip Qatar of its status as a key US ally, The Post has learned, unless it kicks out the Hamas leadership.

The terrorist group, which is responsible for the antisemitic Oct. 7 massacre of more than 1,400 innocent civilians and soldiers in southern Israel, continues to hold over 200 hostages in Gaza.

Hamas runs an office in Qatar’s capital, Doha, and leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Moussa Abu Marzuk and Khaled Mashal maintain a luxurious lifestyle.

One of the sons of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh lounges in a luxury hotel suite in Qatar. Haniyeh is worth more than $4 billion.

Three of the terror group’s top leaders enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar.

They have been seen at its diplomatic club, photographed on private jets, and traveled widely.

The leadership would have been there for the 2022 soccer World Cup.

In contrast, most of the population of more than 2 million in the Gaza Strip, which Hamas has ruled since 2007, live in abject poverty.

Haniyeh, 61, the head of Hamas’ politburo, was prime minister of all Palestinian territory following elections in 2006, although he was booted from office a year later.

Last month, US Rep. Mike Waltz (R-Fla.) called on Bill Gates to ban Hamas from staying at any Four Seasons Hotel, including the one in Doha.
He continued to rule the Gaza Strip until 2017 before ending up in Qatar.

Haniyeh, a father of 13 who presides over one of the world’s wealthiest terrorist groups, is worth more than $4 billion.
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He has been photographed with his two adult sons, Maaz and Abdel Salam, living the high life in luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey, according to a recent social media post from the Embassy of Israel in the US.

Last week, Haniyeh traveled to Iran to meet with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Iran is a longtime sponsor of Hamas.

Last month, the Four Seasons hotel in Doha said he was not one of its guests after calls for Bill Gates, who owns a controlling stake in the chain, to kick him out.

It did not address whether he had previously stayed there.

Among its high-end offerings are suites with sea views starting at $900 a night.

The Hamas leader’s son Maaz Haniyeh is known as “the father of real estate” in Gaza for his collection of villas and buildings.

He lives a playboy lifestyle in Turkey, and this year obtained a Turkish passport, according to Israel Today.

Hamas leader Khaled Mashal is a table tennis enthusiast. The billionaire lives a life of luxury in Qatar, and also in Turkey, according to reports.

Mashal is one of the $11 billion squad whose lifestyle has been much different from that of the people Hamas rules.

Haniyeh Sr. also has Turkish citizenship, according to reports.

Abu Marzuk, 72, a senior Hamas political leader who heads its “international relations office,” is estimated by the Israeli government to be worth $3 billion.

He has a master’s degree in construction management from Colorado State University and was detained in New York when US immigration authorities found his name on a terrorist watch list in 1995.

And Mashal, 67, who issued a global threat against Jews after the Oct. 7 atrocities, is worth more than $4 billion, according to the Israeli government.

Khaled Mashal, one of the leaders of Hamas, is worth more than $4 billion, according to reports.AP

The presence of the Hamas leaders in Qatar has long been justified by the emirate as part of its support for turning the terror group into “a responsible governing power,” according to a report from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

The country provides Hamas with between $120 million and $480 million per year, according to the October report by the Washington, DC-based nonprofit that studies foreign policy.

“These funds benefit Hamas leaders directly through payroll and kickback schemes and indirectly through social services and government operations that help Hamas maintain political control over Gaza,” the report said.

Qatar is also home to the Al Jazeera news channel, which the report alleges “spreads antisemitism, anti-Americanism and incitement to violence throughout the Arab world.”

“Qatar is Hamas and Hamas is Qatar,” Yigal Carmon, president of the Washington, DC-based Middle East Media Research Institute, said in an interview with The Post in Israel.

But moves to force action on Hamas are ramping up in DC.

Hamas leader Khaled Mashal enjoys a luxury lifestyle, dining at some of the Middle East’s best restaurants while in Qatar.

Ogles’ bill would strip Qatar of its special status in the top tier of America’s non-NATO allies alongside Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia and Japan.

Ogles told The Post Tuesday, “As Hamas terrorists continue to wreak havoc on the lives of innocent Israeli civilians, the United States must ensure there is no ally supporting them. Sadly, the State of Qatar is still funding and supporting Hamas as its leadership enjoys political refuge in Doha.”

The country has had the special status since last year, but Ogles’ move would make it conditional on removing Hamas.

Along with hosting Hamas, Qatar is also one of the most important military bases for the US in the Middle East.

It is home to US Central Command’s forward base in the Middle East at the giant Al Udeid air base, which itself is vital to Air Force operations in the Gulf.

Qatar is not the only source of Hamas’ cash. The group also took in nearly $400 million in the last two years from the UN, which does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency provided Hamas with $380 million since 2021, according to the FDD.

Much of that cash came from the Biden administration, which has provided $1 billion to the UNRWA since 2021.
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“Since UNRWA has long insisted it has no political screen on its aid, and since Hamas is viewed as a political party, we know with near certainty that our taxpayer dollars have been delivered into the hands of Hamas,” the FDD said, adding that the Trump administration ended US contributions to UNRWA because of the Hamas connection.

David Winter

 2023/11/9 13:05Profile

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 Re: I assumed they at least lived in Gaza

This was pretty well known I thought.

It's interesting in the context of the Gaza conflict, because even if Hamas is rooted out, nothing will change. That's the enormity of their influence worldwide, and they are and have been given complete immunity by the actual ruling powers of the world (spiritual, not some conspiratorial illuminati types).

I will have to read this article in it's entirety though.

 2023/11/9 13:20Profile

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 Re: Anti-semitism up 400%

Up 400% since this conflict began.

I agree if this present generation of Hamas dies out that the next generation is already well indoctrinated and willing. People have a hard time acknowledging it, but they want more than land back. Much more.

The very long historical double standard when it comes to the "Jewish question" is very much on display now.The church of Christ may be the last place they believe they will friend friendship and a helping hand during this time. Worse things to come. Very much worse. Things once sort of winked at and that were unwisely relegated to perephial issues are now confronting the world and the church. Multitudes will be compelled to enter the valley of decision regarding the Jews. "What's to be done with the Jews?" can no longer be ignored.

David Winter

 2023/11/9 13:44Profile

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I agree dear brother.

I read antisemitism was up over 1000% (I think the FBI director had said that at one time). Either way, it's a prophetic reality.

I've said ad nauseum that the issue of Israel does and will sift the church. God has designed it this way.

As a side note, I've been encouraged by your posts in this topic brother, it's hard to find brethren with an understanding of this topic and aren't either supersessionist in one form or another, or just have a sentimental attachment to the Jewish people.

We are called to be a light to the Jews so that they can, in redemption, be the light they were chosen to be to the world. But being that light in the soon approaching time will require much more than sentimentality and theology, it will likely require even our lives in some situations.

My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I've sat her down and we seriously talked about hiding Jews from persecution and using every spare inch of our home for that reason. The time is sooner than we think.

 2023/11/9 13:54Profile

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"The very long historical double standard when it comes to the "Jewish question" is very much on display now"

There are many reasons for what you call "double standards"
Here is just one of them:

How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land

 2023/11/9 14:20Profile

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//we seriously talked about hiding Jews from persecution and using every spare inch of our home for that reason. The time is sooner than we think.//

I assume you live in the USA. So who will you be hiding Jews from? Are you saying the US government will be hunting Jews? If not, who?

I am not trying to be flippant I just can’t envision what you are talking about- at least here.


 2023/11/9 14:45Profile

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Before this goes off the rails (I was hoping for a fruitful thread on this topic, I had hoped maybe the title would be ignored like Brother Reggies illuminating articles are), I want to ask you a couple of questions Markus.

1. Do you think either DocS or myself condone what the secular state is doing (I can't directly speak for David)?

1a. That video is a sentimental plea for people to support Palestine, and condemn the oppression of Israel.

I don't condone oppression in any form, and neither does God. God will allow Israel to again face a judgment for these actions (because the Jewish people are the ones doing it, not because of a bordered off land called Israel that is not in fact the culmination of what is covenanted finally) that will be of their very own making. They will face from all nations what they have perpetuated on their neighbors. They will be judged, but that judgment is the Father's to execute in His way and time.

The restoration of the land is right now, a prophetic side issue to the restoration of each Jewish person. The sifting of Israel through the nations (Jacobs descendants, a bordered land cannot be sifted through the nations) is the point, and should be first on the churches agenda, as we are partakers of the covenant to bring in the prodigal sons. We have to be very careful to not be the older brother and complain and groan against the prodigal.

All people in all nations will have to contend with the persecution of the Jewish people. Jesus said, and so did every eschatological prophet, that Israel will be sifted through every nation. Anywhere Jews are found they will be hunted, because the point is, and the end goal is, they will wiped from the face of the earth, not a small plot of land in the middle east. The church wherever it is found, must be Christ to Jacob, wherever he is found. All nations will seek to destroy the Jew, and we are already seeing it begin.

A remnant will be saved, and that remnant will all repent and believe the gospel of their Messiah, but before that day, we have to stand with the Jew (not the state).

It's ironic we can be a disciple of Jesus until the question of "what did you do to the least of these my brethren" comes up. Mark those words, because they will be asked at the judgment seat regarding the time of Jacobs trouble.

2. Do you share the views of those in that video?

2a. I don't want to even discuss it if you don't share the sentimental and emotionally driven views, because my desire is to talk to you brother, and I don't desire straw men in these conversations.

2b. Imagine a Palestinian Christian brother supporting the Jewish people and the witness that would be. Imagine them bearing the cross and loving their enemy to the point that they can be Christ to Israel even as Israel oppresses them? Why doesn't the church in Gaza stand up in support of Jewish people and the covenants of God to them? From that video I gather it's because they have chosen to take the stance of the world, and appeal to the world for their rights (I am speaking specifically of Palestinian Christians, no one else) when Jesus said to deny yourself and your rights, and to love their enemies.

Of course it will be said that I can easily say that as I live in the USA. But a dear brother whose ministry I sat under for years, and still do in some ways, said those words in Palestinian areas of Israel, including Gaza and the West Bank, and saw deep moves of the Holy Spirit bringing repentance and restitution. Palestinian Christians were brought to a place where they realized that to oppose the oppression was sin, and not following the teachings of Jesus, and as they repented and bore the cross and denied themselves, God bore witness in magnificent ways.

I would say the same, and do say that same thing to any Palestinian believer. Bear the cross, love your enemies, and follow your Lord.

I didn't expect that digression and lost my train of thought dear brother, I Apologize. But I hope we can bear fruit in this thread, these things are of the utmost importance right now.

 2023/11/9 15:04Profile

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Many claims have been made that injustice has resulted from Israel being restored to their own land. Even some sincere Christians hold this point of view. The Bible is emphatic, however, that God is incapable of injustice. In Deuteronomy 32:3-4, in his closing words to Israel, Moses declared:

“For I proclaim the name of the Lord; Ascribe greatness to our God! “The Rock.” His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He.”

Someone has compared our view of history to a person looking at the reverse side of an oriental rug. The various, different shapes and colors seem confused and unattractive. But when the rug is turned the right way up, its true beauty can be appreciated.

So it is with the outworking of God’s purposes in history. From our earthly point of view, it is hard to discern the pattern which God is weaving. Often it all seems jumbled and meaningless. But when we see it from heaven’s perspective, we agree with Moses: “His work is perfect, and all His ways are just.”

This is not to deny that on the human level, there have been acts of injustice perpetrated by the various parties involved in the return of Israel. There has also been great suffering on the parts of many people.

Of all the parties involved, however, none have suffered as much as the Jews. After six million had perished in the Holocaust, a tiny remnant have had to face more than 70 years of life-and-death struggle for survival in their own land.

The problem is that, under the influence of humanistic philosophy, our contemporary Western society has embraced a perverted and unbalanced view of human relationships.

The issue is brought out in Matthew 22:36-39 by a question put to Jesus by a lawyer:

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law? Jesus said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Here we see that God requires from us two dimensions of love – one vertical and one horizontal. The vertical dimension is love for God; the horizontal dimension is love for our fellow human beings. But the vertical dimension is primary; the horizontal is secondary.

Furthermore, the horizontal relationship is dependent upon the vertical. If we do not love God above all else, our love for our fellow man can never be all that God requires.

The same is true in respect of justice. From the biblical perspective, there are two dimensions to justice: vertical and horizontal. The vertical dimension defines the claims that God has, as Creator, upon the whole human race. The horizontal deals with the claims that men have on their fellow men.

It is typical of the secular approach to these issues that the vertical dimensions of justice is often completely ignored. Unfortunately, many Christians have been influenced by this secular way of thinking. Nevertheless, true justice requires that we first acknowledge the claims that God has on all men, and only after that the claims that we have on our fellow men, or that they have on us.

As we already have seen, one primary claim that God, as Creator, has on all nations is to determine the areas which He has allowed each of them to inhabit (Acts 17:26). As long as men refuse to acknowledge that just claim of God upon them, they will never know true justice or true peace.

In Acts 17:31, speaking to a Gentile audience in Athens, Paul declared that the resurrection of Jesus from the dead marked Him out as God’s appointed judge and ruler, to whom all men will give account:

“For He (God) has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the man He has appointed. He has given proof to this by raising Him from the dead.”

A former professor of history at Cambridge University once remarked: ‘The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the best attested facts of human history.” Because God has thus attested Jesus, He requires that all men submit themselves to His authority. That is the primary, vertical dimension of justice. When the people of the Middle East have acknowledged God’s claim upon their submission to Jesus, the way will be opened for them to achieve just peace with each other. In the meanwhile, political negotiations can produce at best a temporary, superficial peace. True justice and lasting peace, however, will not come to the Middle East until Messiah reigns."

(From "The Destiny of Israel and the Church" - Derek Prince)

David Winter

 2023/11/9 17:56Profile

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 Re: I assumed they at least lived in Gaza

yep...nothing new, including reading thru this thread, with "the Jewish Question"...or others, well meaning, wishing to "hide Jews", etc

you ever heard that old saw, 'if you dont have anything good to say, say nothing"

................. this is a Hebrew Warrior

Neil Giuntoli

 2023/11/10 9:34Profile

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/you ever heard that old saw, 'if you dont have anything good to say, say nothing"/

Sorry, but I can't quite follow here what you mean.


David Winter

 2023/11/10 10:32Profile

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