One other clarifying aspect here is that the gift of prophecy is a temporary usage of a vessel for God to speak, I have witnessed and heard this gift in operation many times.

The office of prophet is a man set apart by God to live that life, bearing the cross and interceding in his every moment to demonstrate the message he bares, and the One that speaks through Him.

The gift and the office operate the same, one is given as the Spirit wills, the other an office/life of a man set apart for God and His purposes.

Hi,

‭Revelation‬ ‭2:12‭-‬17‬ ‭BSB‬
[12] To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These are the words of the One who holds the sharp, double-edged sword. [13] I know where you live, where the throne of Satan sits. Yet you have held fast to My name and have not denied your faith in Me, even in the day when My faithful witness Antipas was killed among you, where Satan dwells. [14] But I have a few things against you, because some of you hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to place a stumbling block before the Israelites so they would eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality. [15] In the same way, some of you also hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. [16] Therefore repent! Otherwise I will come to you shortly and wage war against them with the sword of My mouth. [17] He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who overcomes, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it.

The word Nicolaitans mean victorious over the people.
The NAR, Dominionist people talk about the 7 mountains and how Christians need to take all 7 mountains in oder for Christ to return right? If this is what they believe, are they the Nicolaitans that the Bible is warning us about? Hmm

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Yulboum Robert

Hi

I can't walk past this post, thank you for posting it on here. My name is Colin which is derived from the name Nicholas. If you fiddle about with my name - you'll see the Nicol- my name has two meanings – one of these meanings is victorious people – (the other meaning is derived from Gaelic)

For years God has been speaking to me about an end time victorious people the very opposite of what you mention - Nicolaitans mean victorious over the people.

When I would search for “victorious people” I would find this teaching from the Manifest Sons of God teaching of the latter rain movement. Now you could say that this teaching is related to the seven mountains teaching because it’s about a Victorious Christian army – I can also remember Tod Bently banging on about this back in the day - I don't believe it is a false teaching.

Now if you look at scripture about the end time people of God you'll find that they are severely persecuted but remain victorious to the end. I have mentioned this scripture many times on here but will do it again simply because this burns in me.

Rev 15:2 CEV Then I saw something that looked like a glass sea mixed with fire, and people were standing on it. They were the ones who had defeated the beast and the idol and the number that tells the name of the beast. God had given them harps.

My friend there is the end time victorious people. a people who have defeated the beast, the idol and the name of the beast.

Now what you mention - I have found out what "the teaching of the Nicolaitans" is which you'll find below and again thanks for posting.

It is significant that the “deeds” and “doctrines” of the Nicolaitans are only mentioned in connection with the churches in these two occultic and pagan cities. It seems that the “doctrine” of the Nicolaitans was that it was all right to have one foot in both worlds and that one needn’t be so strict about separation from the world in order to be a Christian. This, in fact, was the “doctrine” of the Nicolaitans that Jesus “hated.” It led to a weak version of Christianity that was without power and without conviction — a defeated, worldly type of Christianity.

Nicolas’ deep roots in paganism may have produced in him a tolerance for occultism and paganism. Growing up in this perverted spiritual environment may have caused him to view these belief systems as not so damaging or dangerous. This wrong perception would have resulted in a very liberal viewpoint that encouraged people to stay connected to the world. This is what numerous Bible scholars believe about the Nicolaitans.

This kind of teaching would result in nothing but total defeat for its followers. When believers allow sin and compromise to be in their lives, it drains away the power in the work of the Cross and the power of the Spirit that is resident in a believer’s life. This is the reason the name Nicolas is so vital to this discussion. The evil fruit of Nicolas’ “doctrine” encouraged worldly participation, leading people to indulge in sin and a lowered godly standard. In this way he literally conquered the people

https://renner.org/article/who-were-the-nicolaitans-and-what-was-their-doctrine-and-deeds/#:~:text=It%20seems%20that%20the%20%E2%80%9Cdoctrine,order%20to%20be%20a%20Christian.

Now – If this is not a picture of the church in today’s world – having a form of Godliness but denying the power, having feet in two camps?

I am a seeker of holiness and in my quest, I have been encouraged to look at the New Covenant to find out exactly what’s in it. With that said I went straight to a message from Carter Conlon message on this subject and found out that God did a marvelous work in his life and he preached many sermons from that experience. David Wilkerson heard this message and took it further than Carter could, that is his own words and wrote a book.

Last night I came across that book from David Wilkerson – The New Covenant Unveiled – God’s Plan to free the last days church from the power of sin.

"The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him and he will show them his covenant." ~ Psalm 25:14.

The truth of the New Covenant has been hidden for many years, but the Holy Spirit is unveiling it now to his church. It is assuredly the most liberating, sin-destroying secret of God's heart. In this book, David Wilkerson helps you to open your heart to the truth, believe it, pray for an understanding of it, and allow you to experience a release of power over all dominion of sin.

https://www.amazon.com/New-Covenant-Unveiled-David-Wilkerson/dp/B001LINF16

As a side note when I was listening to Carter Conlon message I got a revelation in relation to what God wants. He wants us to get to place of relationship we had in the Garden of Eden.

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place a of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people and God himself will be with them as their God. Rev 21:3

Here is revelation, the part of us "you'll be like God" must be dealt with which is nothing more or less than Sin and Self but thank God it's been done on the cross.

God wants to be your God and he wants us to be his people. I thank God through Jesus Christ it possible.

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Colin Murray

Hi Colin,

Thank you for your explaining about the doctrine of the Nicolaitans and the link you sent. It is very insightful and learned something new.
I was curious if there was a connection between the Nicolaitans and the NAR movement which the people on the prophetic panel are heavily involved.

I too believe that the church will be victorious in the end times but it is through our Lord Jesus Christ. It will be like how the Israelites were victorious over the army of Pharaoh by being still and knowing that the LORD is God.

‭Exodus‬ ‭14:13‭-‬14‬ ‭BSB‬
[13] But Moses told the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the Lord’s salvation, which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. [14] The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still"

‭Revelation‬ ‭12:11‬ ‭BSB‬
[11] They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.


And thank you for recommending the New Covenant Unveiled by David Wilkerson. I read his other book, "The Cross and the Switchblade' and God touched my heart through it.

God bless you brother and keep up the good work in Christ Jesus.

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Travis

Here is a good example of the nonsense sentences and paragraphs I am talking about. This is the transcript from the person's own website. This is a word of "prophecy".

I heard the spirit of God say this, “You might be at the bottom of the pile you’re in right now, but I’ll get to you. Quit trying to get to the top of the pile because I’m coming to you, and I will make sure everything is cast away ’til I get to you. And then when I get to you and I cast you up in the wind, you might end up at the top of another pile.” So the Lord says, “You get ready. I will find you this season, and I will dig off what’s been on you this last season. I will make sure it comes off of you. But then you get ready to catch the wind when I throw you up into it because you don’t know where you’re gonna land in the future.”

Just absolute nonsense.

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