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Lisa

Colin,

I haven't watched anything about these guys, didn't even know they existed until recently. When I was calling them fortune tellers I wasn't aware that was literally what they did.

I can't even believe how many people fall for this. It brings to remembrance Simon the sorcerer in Acts.

If this is what the church considers prophetic ministry, no wonder men like myself are hated and called false teachers and ridiculed when we speak or write. I have a hard time talking about my calling, as I have a hard time believing it myself because of who I am and was, but I can't escape it and often it feels like a burden to heavy to carry, and drives me deep into reliance on Jesus, especially when things I say are almost universally rebuked and said to be false and heretical.

Context to what the church thinks is true is scary...

What I saw in that video is incredibly grievous... I almost want to believe it's fake.

Hi Lisa,

Thank you for clarifying this definition and making a distinction between what a prophet is and what a gift is.

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Yulboum Robert

I heard of these people and I would say that most of these people are false prophets as they have prophecied so much wrong

They didn't get the things on COVID right , they didn't get the election of Donald trump correct , a broken clock is more correct than most of these false prophets

As some of these people prophecied that trump would get in and he didn't
It reminds me of the group of prophets in the bible that ahaz wouldnt die and 400 prophets prophecied that he wouldn't die and Micah prophecied that he would and he got put in prison for it

I seen some of there Tv shows and some of it is a mockery to the bible and god's word
As some of these people are on the Elijah list

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect


This is what I mean when we are living in the time of Jeremiah 28
10 Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah's neck, and brake it. (Compare)

11 And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years. And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

12 Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying,

13 Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.

14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Jeremiah 5:31
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

It is so sad that these people get such a large following and people who believe in actual biblical prophecy as I do believe in prophecy

It is hard as we do not have a love of the truth
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved

As I know some of these guys and some of there meetings are like circuses and you can use bingo words as they use catchphrase as they say nothing of value in there words or do not predict specific things , everything is vague

The worst thing is they denigrate the third person of the trinity
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I believe in prophecy but we have a bible and I believe God can give prophecy for today

There is so many biblical prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled , I do not want to despise prophecy but I do despise false prophets such as these who have predicted many things wrong as I know as I used to work in the Christian bookshop

It is a who who of charlatans

Why cant we be like John Bunyan who pricked himself and a bible verse came out
Sometime I feel like Jeremiah that noone listens

Paul in berea was tested by the old testament every word that he said , we have sunk so low

I know Walter Martin who did the kingdom of the cults had a standard , I know when working at the Christian bookshop all I was crying out for which books that followed his very low standard , I found very few.

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21
English Standard Version
20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good

I do not want to despise prophecy but do we test prophecy and see if it is true

As I have had so many prophetic words over me that have simply been a lie as I am from a charasmatic background

There are so many people I know that have fallen away due to lies being prophecied over them

As the holy spirit is the spirit of truth and he is one of the third members of the trinity
He is the most abused member of the trinity

These peddlers and gainsayers make me sick to my stomach as they treat the bible with no respect

Anainais and sapphire found that out to late

Acts 5
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? note

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God

They lied to the holy spirit and they died

When are people going to wake up and read the bible for themselves and not follow these false prophets
I believe in prophecy but it has to be tested against scripture

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Dominic Shiells

Hi ES,

I was intrigued and curious by your last post. I am not being critical with my request or setting you up. Is there a way for you to communicate how and into what God has called you as you referenced. Private email or if you feel comfortable with it, a post ? I'm truly interested. I don't think you are a heretic at all. I'm impressed with many of your posts and the character that seems to come through them.
Feeling alone in these times is going to be a common experience by those attempting to stay close to Him and be used by Him because the messages He gives aren't going to be appealing to most. The crowded stream is often going in the wrong direction in times of stress and in times of His movements. that's historical and Biblical.

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Robert

Give me some time and I will get back with you.

As a side note regarding false prophets, parallel todays Proverb with 2 Peter chapter 2 and how false prophets use sensual deceptions and soulish drawing to make merchandise of the deceived, it's a staggering parallel.

thanks.

I'll take a look at the passages.

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Robert

I haven't been on here in a while but ESchaible has truly blessed my spirit and soul from what he wrote on this thread.

He articulated the truth so well concerning the false teaching and deception among so many of those that call themselves prophets today.

The sad truth is...many don't appreciate the whole truth of the gospel message of the cross that crucifies self interests and agendas.

The man/woman of God who has paid the price of self-denying and whose only desire is to promote Christ from a selfless perspective or gain is persecuted.

This quote right here from ES is so powerful and I surly appreciate it.

(-quoted from ES-

if it takes some preacher declaring over someone for them to have reassurance that God knows them (the devil can also know these details about people by the way), what does that say about them? I need no man to tell me I am known of God, that is the role of the Holy Spirit, and He does this without mans help.

This alone is enough for me to completely discount these views, because this alone is borderline blasphemous. Jesus taught the exact opposite of this throughout His ministry, and we see it specifically stated that men will not teach each other saying know the Lord, because they will all know Him; truly born again believers have God indwelling them, witnessing to them they are children of God. Eternal life is knowing God personally, without any man telling us whether or not we do.

That is religion at its very purest, relying on men to tell you God knows you. Catholicism does this, just using different methods. Judaism does this, just using different methods. Apostasy does this, using this, and other methods.

-end quote-)

Dear Lord help us today who truly desire to follow you, to truly deny ourselves and take up our cross to hear your voice above our own fleshly desires.

Blessings to all in Christ Love!

(-quoted from ES-

“if it takes some preacher declaring over someone for them to have reassurance that God knows them (the devil can also know these details about people by the way), what does that say about them? I need no man to tell me I am known of God, that is the role of the Holy Spirit, and He does this without mans help.“

It is good brother that you know these things, and that you have need of no man to speak to you of these things, but there are young believers, babes in Christ that do not know these things, and need to hear words both from the Word and prophetically that will establish them in the faith.

But [on the other hand] the one who prophesies speaks to people for edification [to promote their spiritual growth] and [speaks words of] encouragement [to uphold and advise them concerning the matters of God] and [speaks words of] consolation [to compassionately comfort them]. (1 Corinthians 14:3)

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Mike

Blessings brother Mike,
How do you interpret these scriptures?

Hebrews 8:10-11 (KJV) 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

1 John 2:27 (KJV) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.