Hi,

Just have a question regarding the word prophecy and the word prophetic. What is the difference?
I don't think I've seen the word prophetic in the Bible. Is it some new Christian term?
I know that the ic at the end of prophetic is a suffix and it would mean related to prophecy and prophets. If it is related is it really prophecy or something related to? 🤔 why can't people just say this is prophecy instead of it is is a prophetic word. I just want to understand this.
Thank you

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Yulboum Robert

Todd I'm not sure you're really asking me a question so I won't point out the parts of the video that maybe considered prophetic.

I'm hearing you say you listened to the video and don't find it prophetic.

I'm sure many people have their own definition on what prophetic means, I would say that when you've received a dream or a vision from the Lord or a prophecy that when you expound upon that prophecy and you explain it and communicate it with others whether it be in a pulpit or in a group setting that would be considered part of prophetic ministry and that would be considered prophetic words.

Often times it's dealing with future events that will take place that has been revealed by the spirit and it deals with wisdom and knowing what to do and how to pray in Unity prophetic words in this context would be to create a unified intercessory group of people who receive inspiration to pray in the spirit for the specific things that the Lord would have us pray for also that the thing prophesied would come to pass through the prayers of the Saints.

In the same way evangelistic preaching contains an impartation when it is received by the hearer a person can be born again and receive the spirit through an imparted word of evangelism, so does prophecy and expounding on prophecy prophetic words contain an impartation which in other words would be called a gift of Grace that can be received through the word which empowers the hearer to move into places of intercession, places of faith and hope for the future the otherwise would not be received through normal teaching of the alimentary principles of the doctrines of Christ as mentioned in the letter to the Hebrews.

Each type of 5 fold ministry and anointing contains a special Grace that is can be received to build up and edify the body of Christ in a way that only that Pacific ministry and anointing can achieve.

But if one despises prophecy or forbids it or mocks it it's very unlikely that one will receive Grace from that same ministry gifting or anointing, down playing prophecy and prophetic preaching to equate with normal evangelistic preaching or teaching or pastoral ministry will obviously shut one off to the graces that comes through prophetic ministry and apostolic ministry can be put in the similar category.

Gifts and abilities can be imparted through those two ministry functions that can't necessarily be imparted through the other three on their own.

This type of prophetic ministry has the ability to stir up dormant gifts that have been quenched in the past through sin or lackluster devotional life, to awaken up ones conscience of sin and sensitivity to the basic moving of the holy spirit and basic functions of the spirit.

Wisdom and revelatory knowledge is shared and received through prophecy and prophetic preaching and ministry.

And I would say this is only scratching the surface of what could be said about the importance of prophecy and the ministry of the prophet and being able to teach on prophecy and apply prophetic words to make a practical effect in a Christians devotional life and upon their callings.

In case Robert Youlboun is reading this, much of what is called prophetic ministry today in the church is a big part of what what people call using the gift of the word of knowledge, to call out and discern sickness and then to declare healing over a person who has been highlighted through that gift but not only that also discerning numerous different categories of private information that only that person would probably know, to create a Faith for that person and an experience that speaks to their heart they've God is listening to them and god knows them personally and this has a very powerful effect on comforting edifying building up and exhorting the believers in the faith in tandem with that gift of the World of Knowledge the gift of prophecy and miracles are often used in that setting.

Chris Reid is probably one of the most developed in that type of ministry.

A good example of that in Chris's ministry is telling a certain person the dream they had the night before and then interpreting their dream and then applying the interpretation whereby the person receives an impartation or something to that effect.

Gary,

I say this with respect and out of concern, but most of what you're writing is nonsensical, hyper charismatic cliche. It dangerously approaches being completely rooted in soulish experience, if it hasn't already arrived there.

I could read much of that in Nietzsche or Freud, as it's just a reinterpretation of the worlds psychology (psyche logia, study of the soul), and formulated to draw people to the preacher, not Christ. It's rooted and grounded in soulish tropes, and if any of it were even remotely true, and that many people were operating in these offices in spirit and in truth, or as Peter says it, not interpreting things, but speaking the words of God being carried about by the Holy Spirit, than we would see a very different religious and spiritual climate in the world.

Alas, we don't because this type of thing can be found in just as many psychologists offices as it can be pulpits and churches.

Satan mocks these things... Paul I know, Jesus I know, but who are you? And while men seek dreams and visions, fortune tellers and future events, God says as He did before, I didn't send these prophets, they ran into these ministries of their own volition and human self sufficiency and effort.

We shall consider it perfectly in the latter days... would that we would consider it, because these are the latter days.

EDIT: Regarding your view of the word of knowledge... Why is it do you think that people flock to these preachers for some experience of affirmation that God knows them... This alone is the most concerning part of your views, because if it takes some preacher declaring over someone for them to have reassurance that God knows them (the devil can also know these details about people by the way), what does that say about them? I need no man to tell me I am known of God, that is the role of the Holy Spirit, and He does this without mans help.

This alone is enough for me to completely discount these views, because this alone is borderline blasphemous. Jesus taught the exact opposite of this throughout His ministry, and we see it specifically stated that men will not teach each other saying know the Lord, because they will all know Him; truly born again believers have God indwelling them, witnessing to them they are children of God. Eternal life is knowing God personally, without any man telling us whether or not we do.

That is religion at its very purest, relying on men to tell you God knows you. Catholicism does this, just using different methods. Judaism does this, just using different methods. Apostasy does this, using this, and other methods. I wasn't even aware this practice was still prevalent in charismatic churches... or that this was something still taught and believed.

There truly is nothing new under the sun.

I am glad however you added that nugget, because there is no more fence for me to stand on regarding your views.

The holy spirit functions and operates through the gifts of the spirit for the building up and edifying of the body of Christ we don't have the capacity as loan rangers to reach any high levels of maturity and edification Alone it is done through a corporate reality , because together we are the body of Christ. That's just (Pride) to suggest that you don't need other believers for council and lift up and and comfort and encourage.

3But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; [a]for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

Where did I say we didn't need fellowship or the body of Christ?

Maybe I mistyped or wasn't clear, as anyone who knows me knows I don't believe that, or teach that.

If you're referencing what i said in my edit, you've burned a straw man.

I always hear the either/or fallacy coming from hyper charismatic types: either you follow our prophets, OR you're a dead fundamentalist.

I can reject heresy and still operate in these gifts. It's almost like they claim these gifts exclusively for their group, so they can justify the weird stuff and excesses, and if people don't accept the weird stuff with the genuine, like a package deal, they're Pharisees.

How many, many times I've heard people, whether it's in a sermon or to me personally, say they have a "word from the Lord", only to have it be so vague as to be untestable, and when it is testable and doesn't come true they say prophecy is different today than in the Old Testament times, so they are not a false prophet.

Just turn on any youtube psychic channel and they say things like "this will be the year of financial prosperity" or "this is a season of breakthrough" or other stuff so general it could apply to anyone.

Funny how not many people listen to the "doom and gloom" prophets that say the church will face intense persecution or the church needs to repent deeply etc. Rather like the OT prophets, no? Everyone flocks to the ear ticklers, while the heartbroken man of God can hardly get an audience.

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Nigel Holland

Found this interesting youtube video from the Messed up church, posting it as it mentions Chris Reed and you can clearly see he is reading information off his phone at a IHOP event.

https://youtu.be/Eyfxf6VPyj4?si=mhgl8DYNr6PDbop5

The guys goes on to show what others are doing and then looks later at Chris Reed prophecy about the $50 bill..

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Colin Murray

Col do you realise you're watching edited videos by non a non charismatic Lutheran, who would put you in the same basket Case because of your belief in gifts of the spirit. Who also sells products on his YouTube messed up page.

It's not uncommon for prophetic people to receive information before the meetings through either vision or prophetic words and then read them in the meeting it's pretty normal actually.

You should probably watch some unedited videos of Chris before you take sides with someone who would condemn you as well.
I've probably watched 20 or 30 hours of Chris ministry in the words of knowledge AND prophecy and never seen anything that would be considered fake.

Nigel that would definitely be wrong for someone to do what you said. ( About following their prophets)

Bot I've constantly heard for the last 15 20 years actually more than that , the same thing said by esteemed fundamentalist leaders and reformed Christians and even charismatic Christians and standard mainline denominations that unless you believe what they believe and follow the same preachers then you're disqualified. And if you really want to be honest with yourself you might be saying that as well , that's what you seem to do on sermon index, anyone that's following the so-called nar group or the hyper charismatics are all put in the same basket by you and a few others here.

I'm not putting all NAR people (a name coined by C. Peter Wagner, by the way) in the same box. I have acknowledged numerous times that there are undoubtedly genuine believers among them.

And I agree with you that guys like John MacArthur and Justin Peters tend to go too far in lumping all charismatic and pentecostals together.

What does concern me, though, is the crazily unbiblical practices many NAR leaders and their disciples engage in, the total lack of discernment and church discipline ("don't judge!"), and the strong ties to the prosperity gospel.

To me they're a lot like the Seventh Day Adventists or Roman Catholics; there are true believers among their ranks, but their theology/practices do not lend themselves to making strong, mature believers.

It's a miracle that people get saved at all in most churches. And when I say that I include all denominations.

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Nigel Holland