I didn't say Israel was the true vine Jade. I said Jesus was.
Israel was called a choice vine in the OT.

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Robert

Jade, thanks for that Scripture and good question in your second post

CofG you made good and important points

I can hear what you are saying.
We have end time "events."
Then we finally have "one body, one tree, one temple, one kingdom, and one church." as you call it

The main focus today seem to be on the "events" and the physical nation, that often causes what I would call unfruitful discussions.
I don't think anyone can claim to know exactly how those events will unfold.
By trying to do so we can loose our focus and slow down any efforts to spread the Gospel.

I'm certain however that one day Jesus will be "King of Kings , Lord of Lords" and there will be one Kingdom.
In His Kingdom there will be all true believers from the beginning of time until the last minute.

As believers we should know Romans 8:32
"He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?"
God has already given "His dearest and best for a world of sinners".
That should give us enough comfort that we don't need to worry where exactly we, with all the other believers are going to live in His Kingdom.
I'm absolutely certain that the Lord has already worked this out perfectly and He will not fail and fulfill everything.

Oh come Lord Jesus, come quickly

Markus

Hi Robert,

Markus is right, he said: 'I don't think anyone can claim to know exactly how those events will unfold.'

Thank you for the questions and sharing. It is very edifying.

Jewish believers and Gentile believers are one body of Jesus Christ. Jesus prayed that they will be one. (John 17) the Land belongs to Jesus Christ the King and His followers will be living there.


Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus.

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Luk 17:20

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


The Kingdom is wherever the King and His People are. Apparently, the Kingdom, the New Jerusalem, and the heavenly home that His people of faith (OT and NT) long for, sacrifice for and suffer for is wherever the King is with His people. The story of Martha and Mary which is well known is not about sitting at Jesus' feet or working in the kitchen. The one necessary thing is to be wherever and in whatever room Jesus is in. That is the Kingdom, the temple, the heavenly home ( or promised land that even the Jews of faith in Hebrews 11) lived for and journeyed for. If the physical locale of Jesus is Israel for 1000 years then that is where we want to be.

I think the point of Scripture is that eternal life is wherever Jesus is which for now is in our hearts and at the right hand of the Father but will one day be face to face.

The point of the post is that any contemplation, concentration or consideration of end times has to be centered in and exclusive to Christ. So much conversation is on a place and on a partially hardened people coming to faith which is certainly very important to the Lord but Jesus must be supreme even in and maybe especially in this.

God's people need end times preaching. Take a look at the words of Jesus, Paul, Jude, Hebrews, John in Revelation and Peter and you will see true end times focus and preaching; preaching to end times needs and focus for God's people when they see the signs. See how much the preaching is on what we have been focusing on.

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This (12 glorious minutes) is what it means to stand with Israel in flesh and blood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3KwDXoq29Q

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Matthew 27:37
And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Our saviour is Jewish

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26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29.

15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. Galatians 6:15


6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. Romans 9:6.

Christ, in the eternal and transcendent sense is the seed of Abraham....Christ and all those born of God's seed through Him are likewise the descendants of Abraham. This is not replacement theology. The church did not replace the Jewish people of promise. It was always the children of promise and thus there never is any replacement of anything because it was Christ as the seed of Adam and Eve (the seed of promise to those of faith) that would crush Satan and Christ the seed of Abraham ( the seed of promise of those of faith) who was the source of all spiritual blessing to the Jew and the nations and all such are the offspring of Abraham in ultimate and eternal reality. All those born of the seed of Christ through faith in the promised seed (Jew and Gentile, "there is no difference") are created in holiness, righteousness and in His image, one image, one spirit, one body, one temple, one new man through one seed, one root, one foundation and one Lord of all.

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Should have added this one:


Romans 2:29 - But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

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