I yet had not experienced Gods fullness and powerful. I am a firm believer of full sanctification God purifying our whole being. I believe in Holiness separation from the world. Ive been asking God for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Why do you think he is making wait for this blessed experience. I WANT PENTECOST. OLD FASHIONED HOLY GHOST POWERFUL. WHY DO BELIEVERS have to tarry for this experience. I want God to possess by Mind and Personality. I want to be possessed by the Holy Ghost. What should I do?

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Jy'Quan Stewart

Brother, find some mature Spirit filled believers to pray with you and help you. I believe that this short teaching by Derek Prince would be helpful to you.

https://youtu.be/_XR6sQyB-kA

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Mike

I believe in Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Second blessing). I have personally experienced it myself and here is my understanding which I can also support with scripture.

All born again believers have the Holy Spirit living in them (1 Cor 12:3).

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the experience when we are empowered with power on high (Acts 1:8). There is a difference between being a powerless Christian and a powerful Christian. But being empowered with Power does not mean we will not sin. It only means we will have power to overcome sin. We might still stand on our own righteousness at times and fall. It is a constant everyday battle to rest in God and abide in him.

In my life this experience came at the lowest point of my spiritual life. I was in the process of giving up Christ but instead of letting me go, Christ filled me up with his Spirit. From then on Bible became a different book, I had power to withstand certain besetting sins (which I never had before), power to confess Jesus as my Lord and savior even before those who mocked me for my faith.

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Sreeram

While I do not consider mine to have taken that long, I know of a sister who believes that hers dragged a bit. In her quest of finding someone who could successfully pray for/over her, she even encountered a poor brother who sought to teach her how to speak in tougues. However when God was finally satisfied and ready to grant, he filled her up just when she assayed to accept an envite for the laying-on of hands in one prayer meeting. And she knew it was it/done.

If I got him well, brother Sree's emphansy is on coming to the realization that one cannot corretly take on this Christian journey of themselves. If so, then I second that. What I would like to add is that God knows our respective hearts, motivations and the depth of our thirt for his filling. And would suggest you ask God to advise if he finds your heart fully consecrated, if he finds you free of selfish intents for the grace and whether your thirt be wide enough. I personally cannot think of a reason for God to delay this grace except for when a gap on a man's end exist. Either that of God not being satisfied that the vessel is thus fully empty/consecrated or that of having to be sufficiently sought for in prayer. And I would therefore agree (with brother Mike) that finding a pious someone to join forces with is also a step in the right direction.

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Lisa

Torrey’s writings on the Holy Spirit are quite useful 🙏🏻

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Fletcher

Brother Fletcher, a link to the said resource(s) would be great.

According to Acts 2:37-39, a condition to repeant is suggested.

According to Acts 19:2-7, another condition together with the praying of a Godly someone is implied. This is similar to what happened in Samaria after the preaching of Philip. "When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit,"

According to Luke 11:13, another condition to ask for this blessing in prayer is implied.

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Kervin

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=torrey+on+holy+spirit+pdf+&t=iphone&ia=web

Here’s a link to search and read several pdf’s -

would suggest praying/asking the Lord which one to start with as He alone knows where a person is in their walk and what is needed to bring them to perfection-maturity. Although it has been quite a while since I have read by him, the memory of how helpful these resources are/were to me is still distinct.

regarding “how to receive” the baptism, I am not much help… as I was unaware of such a thing and without knowledge of the existence, I could not and did not ask for it but was commanded to “step forward and receive” by the Lord, which after a short debate on the absurdity of the situation, I did obey and did receive that which only He can give. This however occurred only after the Lord had categorically broken me down to a place of helplessness and desperation where in one instance prior to this day (sept 21st 2009) the Lord beat the crap out of me one night in a dream where when I woke up I could barely move from the pain and I physically bled. I honestly was beside myself with confusion and called my older brother (lay preacher in COC) who after hearing the dream/experience and my subsequent condition, began laughing heartily reminding me of Jacob wrestling w/the Lord/angel, which the acknowledgment of brought great peace and comfort to my spirit in spite of feeling as though I had been in a violent car crash, with my body stiff, sore, and generally lacking articulation all while my nose poured blood for no apparent reason. This is only mentioned here to make the point that there isn’t a “formula” to follow, rather a person to know, love/trust and obey…. honestly I can’t imagine a more unworthy person than myself to receive such a blessing but this blessing, if maintained, comes at a cost which is to say that if we are to keep that which is given and not grieve Him away, we must put ourselves, our hopes, our most valuable desires on the altar and submit the whole of it to His will not knowing wether He will exalt or debase us, tho in either case that His will be done in us. That’s where I was when He came to me and filled me to overflowing with His most precious gift… Himself 🙏🏻
Since that day, my life has never been the same and tho I have repeatedly failed His grace and made far too many missteps, He has to this day remained faithful and merciful towards me,… drawing me, leading me, teaching me to mortify my flesh that His spirit might be the exclusive source and end of all my doings.
While I can’t speak for anyone else, my experience has been exceedingly painful tho this is largely due to my obstinance and ignorance.
Currently, He has stirred that gift in ways that I joyfully submit to and gladly face the reproach of the world.
This is trustworthy, if we walk after the spirit of God the world will hate us, for His spirit is contrary to the world and at no point do the two find concordance, for the spirit that is in this world opposeth that which is of the Lord and seeks to exalt itself above all that is God. We have available to us mighty weapons to the pulling down of strongholds (in others) or any knowledge or pretense that exalts itself above the knowledge of Christ ✝️🙏🏻
If we are willing to lay hold, He will equip and instruct us, growing and strengthening us, opening our eyes to the responsibility for the authority He has given us, and in doing so we become partakes of His divine nature. Having eyes to see and ears to hear, we behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, as such we have confidence towards Him who is capable to do exceedingly, abundantly more than we could ever ask or even imagine 😇
At this point, I have only one concern… to please He who enlisted me as a soldier for we are indeed at war -

Be Strong
1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

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Fletcher

I find it concerning there is no mention of faith, or the finished work of Jesus in this thread.

God is not the author of confusion.

Identification with the finished work of Jesus on calvary, and His resurrection and glorification, by faith, is the new testament way, nothing else.

Dear ESchaible, brother Quan mentioned: believe, believer and Believers on parts of his post. From this I can say that I and other thread participants assumed that this condition (which in fact the foundation) was fairly satisfied. But yes, far be it that Christ should thus be deprived of his glory in this regard.

@brother Fletcher, thank for the link. I think I remember my older brother reading a lot of R.A Torrery's works on the Holy Spirit. I just cannot remember if this was right around when he was in like manner seeking his own baptism. Which he eventually got in one prayer meeting we had. He could groan and pray in tongues therefrom.

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Kervin