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Joined: 2011/10/21
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 Re: Staff

tracking with you 💯
(you even added a couple I had missed 🙏🏻)

The OP was also well prepared :)

Jesus said it, Staff is just sharing it…

Matt 11:
10 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
((((14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.))))


 2023/4/29 19:38Profile

Joined: 2007/2/8
Posts: 2147


Hi Chris,
The Twelve stones represent the Twelve Tribes and the Twelve stones of John The Baptist Altar were the Twelve Apostles.
When Jesus was Asked was John Elijah Jesus said Yes if you care to accept it.Why he said this is because he knew the Jews would be looking for a man coming in on a Chariot all guns blazing and couldnt see the John did all the works of Elijah namely he prepared everything for Jesus.

Your qoute
"You are trying too hard to force types and shadows into fixed patterns of your own design"

First of all this is blatantly untrue .I have outlined in perfect order that John fulfilled all the jobs of Elijah.Jesus said of John the Baptist: “He is Elijah who is to come” (Matt 11:14)
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Jesus accepted John as Elijah and the reason he said if you are willing to accept it is because he knew if the Jews accepted John as Elijah then they would have to accept him as Messiah which they were not willing to do,

Also all I have put down is clear and concise and only BranchinVine has responded no other????
If you dont accept the typology of John and Elijah then you cant accept the typology of the scapegoat,the temple ,tabernacles or any other typology and pattern,
urs staff

 2023/4/29 19:56Profile

Joined: 2007/2/8
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Hi all
The Book of Revelation describes the Apostles as being foundation stones.Why are you offended when I describe the Apostles as 12 stones?

And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
urs staff

 2023/4/29 20:03Profile

Joined: 2007/2/8
Posts: 2147


Hi Chris,
I see you are a new member to SI and may not realize that debates can get intense but sometimes the best information come from intensity.
Your qoute:
"One recent thread was locked because of YOU. I would have liked to have contributed to that thread."
BTW this is not correct.
Talk to SI about it.

The scripture im sharing about John is very basic
for instance
You would have to accept from Matt 11:14 that Jesus does say that John was Elijah
Matt 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

If you accept that Jesus said John was Elijah then it would be logical to find out why he was Elijah?
For instance on the face of it he didnt do anything the original did ,he didnt do miracles ,he didnt bring drought ,he didnt compete against the prophets of Baal.
The only way to find that out is to look at the life and times of the original Elijah.What was his role and how did John fulfill that role.
Jesus clearly thought John was fulfilling a role Matt 3:15

But Jesus, answering, said to him, “Allow it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
Its obvious Jesus was not in need of John's Baptism of repentance but was allowing it to fulfill scripture.
Another thing that is not offensive nor surely cant be disputed is that both Elijah and John the Baptist poured water over a sacrifice.
The bullock on Mt Carmel was a sin offering for Israel and Jesus was also a sin offering but for you and me.
All sin offering in the OT point to Jesus or are in some way a substitute for Jesus.
So again its no stretch at all to say that the bullock on Mt Carmel was a symbol of the ultimate Sacrifice Jesus.
I am not saying anything different about typology and pattern than Jacob Prasch a preacher that has 10 or 20 sermons on SI.People might be offended by his tone ,he is not mild like me,at least thats what my mother said,
urs staff

 2023/4/29 23:39Profile

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