In Psalm chapter 2 God laughs to mock and scorn His foes. The word for laugh is sachaq. From the same root as Issac

In 2 Samuel 6 David laughs in celebration with all Israel before the LORD. The word (play or played) is sachaq. KJV should get it right on this.

Michal despised David for this and remained barren for the rest of her life.

Rusty

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Russell

Laughing is one thing. Laughing like in the video I posted is quite another. Nothing holy about it.

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Todd

TMK

Interestingly Jonathon Edwards strongly argues that you simply do not have anywhere near enough evidence to make the statements you have. Not near enough at all!

In a somewhat similar instance John Wesley also maintained that you can not make the statements you have with any assurance of accuracy.

Notice neither I (nor Edwards, nor Wesley) are necessarily saying that you are in error. We are all three in agreement though that you are making judgments on things for which you have no where near the evidence to do so.

Hold your tongue and put it on the back burner is a modern vernacular of their advice in this and similar instances. You do not know the fruit produced in the lives of people in that room over time. You do not know. Period. Unless you have actually spoken to them you have no earthly idea how they were affected over time. None. Zero.

Nothing in your video link is "sinful" or promoting immorality. They are laughing ... nothing more... nothing less... nothing else. It may not strike you as an "appropriate" behavior but that is irrelevant in God's economy. Don't make judgments based upon ignorance of the facts and effects upon people who were actually there.

Wesley and Edwards both advise not make judgments in this and similar cases until those facts are known. May I suggest you might read some of their words listed in the bibliography of the article. You may find them a great help in gaining maturity in this area unless you feel you are have already surpassed their expertise and understanding.

Carter Conlon and David Wilkerson specifically preached against the "laughing gospel" and they both referenced the specific clip Todd mentioned.

A Gospel Of Slaughter by Carter Conlon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOZZk0fuJoA&ab_channel=ShareTheSermon

Weird Manifestations by David Wilkerson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvoAGEZf-nI&ab_channel=DefenseoftheGospel

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Nigel Holland

https://youtu.be/EXolizIy6_g

Sorry Sol, all I have to go on is my discernment. I am certainly open to moves of the *Holy* Spirit. I attended a Bethel type church for a period of time until I could take no more of the head-jerking (usually accompanied by the person saying “whoa!”) and other weird things like women laying in the aisles acting like they were giving birth etc.

I certainly agree there are legitimate manifestations of the HS.

I cannot judge what Edwards and Wesley are talking about because I cannot see for my own eyes what they are describing.

They may very well be equally appalled if they saw the manifestations in the videos I have posted. I suspect they would be.

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Todd

TMK, I'm in agreement with you. Both my wife and I feel in our discernment that what is in the videos is not of God.



Laughing and expressing cheer is one thing, but this isn't it. The Holy Spirit is not erratic. Even the gift of tongues was organised in the book of Acts. Some of the people thought they were drunks, but they were talking in real languages, they weren't rolling around or barking like dogs.

Test it with scripture. Manifestations or the Holy Spirit are glorifying to God. Where in scripture does it say that God manifests in such chaos? Back it up with scripture, not theologians that have been dead for 200 years and who may have never seen this.

God can use situations like this to grow people, that's not beyond his power, but if it was such a legitimate manifestation, why is it only within certain churches?

Physical Manifestations of the Holy Spirit:

Derek Prince

https://youtu.be/4GbsGrPsu-E

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Mike

"With the phenomena associated with the “Toronto Blessing” and the ministry of Rodney Howard-Browne, people have tended to either completely accept or completely reject all such phenomena. Many of these manifestations have occurred in evangelical and holiness revival movements..."

We can't just look at the "phenomena" alone, we need to see the bigger picture.
In the first video that TMK posted there was no true Gospel preaching.
Without true Gospel preaching and repentance people are not covicted by the Holy Spirit.
The result we see in the video is therefore not of the Holy Spirit.
When true Gospel preaching is missing we are dealing with false prophets.
When we have false prophets we have a false spirit.
The whole thing was demonic.

When the Toronto blessing hit I had to leave my school and church.
How do you tell your friends in school and unbelievers that Christians have completely disregarded the bible and are laughing uncontrollably and barking like dogs and roaring like lions and fake giving birth

I had to leave my school and my church as we had teachers that were laughing uncontrollably and doing strange things.
As the pastor of the church completely forsook the bible

As a 14-year-old I had to defend why laughing like crazy and other circus acts was not biblical.

When I moved school I had to explain and literally say why i left school and to say why people in church were doing crazy things like this. Unbelievers thought it was a circus, a madhouse.

When I was in the school I had to explain the difference between what a true revival and a false revival as I read things like john wesleys journals or johnathan edwards.

As when you have seen the false the true looks better.

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Dominic Shiells

When my wife and I sat down with the Pastor of the church to explain why we felt compelled to leave (due to the strange manifestations) he looked at us like we had lobsters coming out of our ears. No concerns whatsoever.

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Todd