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jrgquirino Member
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2023/1/9 15:51 | Profile |
Lysa Member
Joined: 2008/10/25 Posts: 3699 East TN for now!
| Re: Christians Don't Have To Pay Tithes - Bro. Zac Poonen | | Christians still DO have to give and to do it cheerfully!
James 1:27 says, “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”
If you are not paying tithes regularly, what are you doing?
_________________ Lisa
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2023/1/10 8:57 | Profile |
jrgquirino Member
Joined: 2018/2/26 Posts: 57 Orange County, CA
| Re: | | Yes, James 1:27 deals with servanthood. Those things we should always do. The tithe deals with an income/ your earnings. It was in the Old Testament to bring this tithe- this offering to the Lord. Leviticus 27:30 “A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord: it is holy to the Lord.” It was very specific in the Old Testament. _________________ Fred
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2023/1/10 9:31 | Profile |
InTheLight Member
Joined: 2003/7/31 Posts: 2850 Phoenix, Arizona USA
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It was in the Old Testament to bring this tithe- this offering to the Lord. Leviticus 27:30 “A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord: it is holy to the Lord.” It was very specific in the Old Testament.
What do you make of Abram giving a tenth of the spoils to Mechizedek, long before Leviticus 27.
In Christ, _________________ Ron Halverson
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2023/1/10 17:54 | Profile |
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Joined: 2007/2/8 Posts: 2227
| Re: | | Hi all "giving a tenth of the spoils to Mechizedek,"
Before Mecidedeck I AM
meaning before Mecizedeck is Grace
Grace comes before the law,
urs staff
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2023/1/10 22:43 | Profile |
Lysa Member
Joined: 2008/10/25 Posts: 3699 East TN for now!
| Re: Christians Don't Have To Pay Tithes - Bro. Zac Poonen | |
For those who do NOT believe that tithing is for today, who or what do you give to?
_________________ Lisa
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2023/1/11 10:52 | Profile |
sermonindex Moderator
Joined: 2002/12/11 Posts: 39795 Canada
Online! | Re: | | I guess the standard is now that we are not under the tithe system of the Old Testament so our giving is unto Jesus only. This does NOT mean we do not give sisters or brothers but rather we give with no requirement of the "law" there is no prescribed 10% or 20% but rather its from the heart.
In some cases surely we would give more than 10%. As brother Zac says it must be done cheerfully and by the leading of the Spirit of God.
In some cases in the new covenant Jesus even said for the person to "sell" or forsake all for the Gospel. 100%.
_________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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2023/1/11 11:50 | Profile |
JFW Member
Joined: 2011/10/21 Posts: 2009 Dothan, Alabama
| Re: external - internal | | The tithe under the law was tantamount to a tax in that it was externally imposed, being compelled by the requirement. The tithe under grace is (in my understanding) is initiated and carried out by the Holy Spirit as we yield our time, resources, talents, etc… He influences us internally to do His will so we offer ourselves (and our monies) as a gift, and cheerfully so 😇
Since He bought me, literally paying the price, then He owns me and can do as He wills… There have been times when He had me tithe directly to a church and other times to ministries in remote territories, or in one particular case He had me support a ministry building and supplying new churches - In each case, I either personally knew and had worshipped with these saints or at the least attended the same conference-
Point being, under the New Covenant we are told to allow no one to judge us regarding how, wether, or if we observe the keeping of festivals or ordinances
We are at the Liberty of Christ and as such, we have liberty in Christ, here is the practical “freedom” from the “curse of the law” which by the time of Jesus had perverted, thru corruption, the tithe/offering that God Himself had to send His only begotten Son to stop it by once and for all, offered His Son as our tithe 🙏🏻 What else is required in the way of a tithe that wouldn’t openly deny that God the Father wasn’t satisfied by the sacrifice offered by His Son on our behalf…?
Yet we want to worship, …. 🤔 The scriptures declare that our only reasonable response is to offer ourselves as “living sacrifices” and at the end of the day what else could we offer as a “tithe” except our everything ✝️
_________________ Fletcher
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2023/1/11 14:22 | Profile |
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Joined: 2012/2/8 Posts: 6650 NC, USA
| Re: | | Jesus’s standard is stewardship. (Luke 12:42; 16:1ff; 19:12-13/ Matt.25:14/ Titus 1:7). In coming to Christ, the repentant sinner surrenders everything to God, and claims ownership of nothing (Acts 4:32). From the moment of his conversion, the believer becomes responsible to manage every asset (monetary or otherwise) in the interests of his Master’s profit. Those seeking to reserve a share of their lives for themselves need not apply (Luke 9:23).
What, then, is the steward’s responsibility? He must discharge his trust in exactly the manner that his Master would do if He were in His steward’s shoes. What would God spend His money on? Well, the Scriptures give us all the guidance we need on this matter. Throughout Scripture, God expresses His concern for the plight of the helpless poor and the support of those who minister the Word of God. A timely gift to the poor is a gift to God Himself (Prov.19:17/Matt.25:37-40), and is the prescribed method of depositing treasures in heaven (Mark 10:21/Luke 12:33). Giving to the needy is merely an expression of the mandate to love our neighbor as we love ourselves (Luke 10:27-37).
The support of the Kingdom’s ministers is similarly an expression of our duty to love God, to seek first the Kingdom of God (Matt.6:33). These ministers include those who teach the Word of God (as the Levites were to do—Gal.6:6/1 Cor.9:11/1 Tim.5:17-18). This would include the pastor of one’s church (if he teaches God’s Word) as well as others from whom one receives spiritual direction and nourishment. It also would include traveling ministers and missionaries (Luke 8:2-3/Phil.4:16-18/3 John 5-8). There is such a variety of ministry—some more- and some less-needy, and some more-, some less-worthy of support—that a conscientious steward will do a bit of prayerful research before committing the Master’s funds to a given appeal for assistance. In the end, the discharge of one’s stewardship requires a great deal of prayer and leading of the Holy Spirit. It is nothing like such a simple matter as writing a check to the local assembly (which might be looking to replace the carpeting for the third time this decade) for a tenth of one’s paycheck.
_________________ Todd
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2023/1/11 16:07 | Profile |