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Good testimony from Derek Prince.

Thank you, Colin, for posting.


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I am not familiar with Derek Prince’s teaching so I would like to ask a question.

Quote:
“Our old man was crucified that the new man might come to life in us.” That’s the exchange from the old man to the new man.



How does this new man come to life in us according to Derek Prince?


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Markus,

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“Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in ones life.
……………
John 3:30:"He must increase; I must decrease.
31 The One who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth.



Scripture says:

Rom. 6:6-7 –
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.
v. 11 --
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

What is the effect of obedience to this Word of God?

If the old self has been crucified with Christ, it is no more. How then is it to be decreased?

John the Baptist, when he spoke these words, was not yet a new creation in Christ.

2 Cor. 5:17 –
Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

The obedience that both Paul and John preached is the obedience of faith (Rom. 1:5; 1 John 3:23).





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Jade,
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly.
Can you explain in a very simple way what a Christian still should do after conversion ?
Has God already accomplished everything for us ?

 2022/12/6 2:55Profile
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Markus,

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Can you explain in a very simple way what a Christian still should do after conversion ?



Very briefly:

Eph. 3:14-21 –
………I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.

Comment: The fullness of God includes the holiness of God.

Phil. 3:7-14 –
But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

2 Cor. 3:18 –
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Tim. 6:12 –
Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called……

1 Tim. 5:23-24—
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.



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1 Cor. 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

2 Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

In the Old Covenant, man was commanded to sanctify himself, to ritually purify himself, so that he was prepared to go into the presence of God or by used by God for some purpose. But this has changed under the New Covenant. We are sanctified, set apart as Holy unto God, through Jesus Christ. He is our sanctification. And the result of this sanctification is that we will naturally begin to bear the fruit of holiness in our lives. It is from face to face intimacy with Him that we are changed into His image (to look and act like Him).

So, it is an ongoing process of transformation that is rooted in our relationship with God through Christ.


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Hi Jade if your still interested here is link to the full article.

https://www.derekprince.ca/Articles/1000111023/DPM_Canada/Archive_of_UK/Keys/The_Divine_Exchange/Our_Old_Man.aspx

He explains it a bit more in depth.

*edit for spelling.


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Thank you, Colin.

I will read the article when free.


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Travis

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It is from face to face intimacy with Him that we are changed into His image (to look and act like Him).

So, it is an ongoing process of transformation that is rooted in our relationship with God through Christ.




Just some thoughts.

Being conformed to the image of Christ is, of course, not just an outward imitation of Christ.

May what the Lord Jesus said about the scribes and Pharisees be not also said about us.

Matt. 23:25-28 –

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.


To be in the image of Christ is to be the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, just as Christ is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature (Heb. 1:3).


Only by Christ Himself dwelling in the heart by faith can the true image of Christ be manifested on the outside.


Dead things cannot grow. Growth can only take place in life.

There can be no spiritual growth if Christ’s own life is not in us.

1 John 5:11-12 –
…………God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.


We have eternal life by beholding Jesus and have faith in His name.

John 6:40 –
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 20:31 –
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.


Ps.89:15-16 –
How blessed are the people who know the joyful sound!
O Lord, they walk in the light of Your countenance.
In Your name they rejoice all the day,
And by Your righteousness they are exalted.


It is in Christ Himself that we must be rooted.

Col. 2:6-7 –
Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

Rom. 11:16 –
……if the root is holy, the branches are too.

Whatever grows out of the holy root of Christ is holy.





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Quote ……if the root is holy, the branches are too.

After fasting for over 30 days, my only request I as humbled myself before God, was God you do as you will in my life.

After the fast I had a question in my mind what makes a great man of God great?

I went searching for testimonies and stumbled across Duncan Campbell testimony on the site.

The link below

http://ia802802.us.archive.org/9/items/SERMONINDEX_SID0560/SID0560.mp3

I decided as I was flying to Africa the next day to listen to it on the plane. On the plane 55,000 feet over the earth, God broke through with the words "go for God whatever it takes"

I got up and ran to the toilet and broke down weeping and crying "Father I will do it, just help me"

I spent a month in Africa all that I could do every time I went to pray was to weep in deep sobs. It was during this time that I became actually aware of the Sin that remains. I saw it wrapped around the very core of my being. I saw that Sin deceives it gets us to believe that this what we are like.

O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

That my dear brother/sisters is the place where Gods brings you to.

We can see it through scripture, take for example Isaiah .

Isa 1:1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

From that vision Isaiah goes and starts to confront the nation for there rebellion.

So God had clearly done a work in this man, would you agree?

However when he saw the thrice Holy God he cries Isa 6:5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.”

It like the cry of Job, lets remind ourselves Job 1:1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

God says it: Job was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

Yet after the dealings of God this is how Job replies.

Job 42:5-6 "My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”

What did Jesus tell us about seeing God? Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God. Matt 5:8

Isiah and Job heart was purified; in Isiah's cases it was a part of his commissioning by God.

Now let run forward in time to the disciples.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

So the disciples received ye the Holy Ghost prior to Acts 2.
Prior to that Jesus says as the Father sent me, I am sending you.

If want a bit more in depth Luke 24:36-43, in those verses:

"I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high"

So they receive the Spirit; but are told to tarry until ye be endued with power from on hig.

1. I send the promise of my Father upon you.
2. Tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued
with power from on high"

I think the Song by the Salvation Army explains why we need this - promised Holy Ghost

God of Elijah, hear our cry:
Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire!
To make us fit to live or die
To burn up every trace of sin,
To bring the light and glory in,
The revolution now begin,

The fire will meet our every need,
Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire!
For strength to ever do the right,
For grace to conquer in the fight,
For pow’r to walk the world in white,

To make our weak hearts strong and brave,
Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire!
To live a dying world to save,
Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire!

There is a trend that I am seeing here; and it started I was reading Praying Hyde testimony

http://hcf-india.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Praying-Hyde.pdf

1892 was a time of heart-searching and prayer. He received a letter to which he afterwards makes reference in an Indian publication. He says, "My father had a friend who greatly desired to be a foreign missionary, but was not permitted to go. This man wrote me a letter directed in care of the ship. I received it a few hours out of New York harbor. He urged me to seek for the baptism of the Holy Spirit as the great qualification for mission work. When I had read the letter I
crumpled it up in anger and threw it on the deck.

Did this friend think that I had not received the baptism of the Spirit, or that I would think of going to India without this equipment? I was angry. But by and by better judgment prevailed and I picked up the letter and read it again. Possibly I did need something which I had not yet received.

The result was that during the rest of that voyage I gave myself much to prayer that I might indeed be filled with the Spirit and know by an actual experience what Jesus meant when he said, "Ye shall receive power, when the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts I :8 R. V.).

These prayers on shipboard were finally answered in a marvelous way.

If God has called you: don't go running out and try to it in your own strength. Pray and wait for God to send you full of the Holy Ghost.

Sanctification "to set apart for special use or purpose"
God will take you clean you up, as we have seen in example of men being able to see God, God will purify the heart and endue you with power.

He will make us fit to live or die,
He will burn up every trace of sin,
He will give you strength to ever do the right,
He will give grace to conquer in the fight,
He will give you the pow’r to walk the world in white.

He will give you the desire to live for a dying world to save.

Sorry if it's a bit long.


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 Re: John 17:17


Quote:
John 17:17 -- Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.



Comment:
We are not sanctified by the written Word. We are sanctified by the Truth. The Lord Jesus Himself is the Truth (John 14:6). He Himself is our sanctification (1 Cor. 1:30). God’s written Word is Truth because it reveals Christ who is the Truth.


God’s written Word is Truth because it contains the Word of Christ who is the Truth.

The Lord Jesus said to the Jews:

John 5:39-47 –
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Similarly, we may search the scriptures because we think in them we have the Truth. But the scriptures testify of Christ. He is the Truth. But we will not come to Him that we may have Truth.



The Old Testament scriptures contain the Word of Christ. They point to Christ. They told of Christ.

The Lord Jesus said that the OT scriptures testified about Him (John 5:39). He said that Moses wrote about Him (John 5:46).

He said to His disciples:

Luke 24:44 –
“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Paul said to Timothy:

2 Tim. 3:15 –
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The sacred writings Timothy knew were the Old Testament scriptures.



The New Testament is all about Christ.


The Gospel is the Gospel of Christ.

Mark began his Gospel account with:
Mark 1:1 -- The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.


Paul’s letters comprise a huge section of the New Testament.

Paul preached the Kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 28:30-31).

Paul said:
Col. 3:16 -- Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you……


Peter said:

1 Pet. 2:25 –
like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

He also said:

2 Pet. 3:18-19 –
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Comment:
The milk of the word that enables us to grow in respect to salvation is the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


John wrote his Gospel with this main objective:

John 20:31 –
………these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

John called the Lord Jesus the Word of Life:

1 John 1:1-3 –
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.



Therefore, Christ is the substance and the Truth in the written Word of God. We are sanctified by Truth, Christ Himself, the Living Word, revealed to us in the written Word.

Rom. 10:4 –
For Christ is the end (or goal) of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


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In the Book of Psalms, it is written:

Ps. 119:105 –
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.

It is also written:

Ps. 27:1 –
The Lord is my light and my salvation;

Ps. 18:28 –
For You light my lamp;
The Lord my God illumines my darkness.

The Prophet Micah said: “Though I dwell in darkness, the Lord is a light for me (Micah 7:8).


The Lord Jesus is the true lamp to my feet and the true light to my path.

John 8:12 –
Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”


In the eternal city of God, which is the church, the glory of God is its light and its lamp is the Lamb.

Rev. 21:23 –
And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

2 Cor. 4:6 –
For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.


The substance is Christ.



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