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enid
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 Can repentance be rejected?


In Hebrews it tells us of Esau who was rejected, for he found no place for repentance.

He sought it with tears.

Are there any other scriptures that will confirm or deny this?

Thanks.

 2022/4/11 10:39Profile
Platy
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 Re: Can repentance be rejected?

I noticed that there is a pattern of siblings in the bible. Abel and Cain, Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau, and Mary and Martha. You can even throw David and Saul in there. There are probably a few more in the bible you may be able to spot. Perhaps looking at Esau's counterparts will shed some more light for you.

 2022/4/11 14:06Profile
Platy
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https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/when-is-saving-repentance-impossible

 2022/4/11 14:12Profile
TMK
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Piper is simply saying that it is not possible to lose one’s salvation, like a good Calvinist will say.

The example he gives in the very last section could equally be explained that he was truly saved and shipwrecked his faith. There are many reasons why a true believer might shipwreck their faith.

It is too easy to simply claim they were never truly saved in the first place.


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 2022/4/11 14:35Profile
Platy
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Yes I should have mentioned that it was a calvinist article so the armenian interpretation would be that they shipwrecked their faith or also that they never were saved in the first place. Hebrews is a warning to the Jewish believers not to abandon their faith so its about apostasy no matter what side you come from.

 2022/4/11 20:32Profile
JFW
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 Re: Can repentance be rejected?

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

This verse, written by apostle Paul, presupposes that repentance can be rejected-


Regarding Esau, he desired something to be undone, that he may regain what he had lost of his own volition, his birthright. How can a thing like this be repented of ? It would violate the Law as long as Jacob lives.

Repentance requires mercy,...
Boldly come before the throne of grace, that you might obtain mercy, so that you can receive grace in your time of need 🙏🏻

Seeking mercy for those round about us in prayer, boldly seeking Gods divine intervention/influence,... believing He doesn’t want any to perish but all to come to repentance, is the way to receive grace that leads us to repentance.


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 2022/4/11 21:44Profile
twayneb
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 Re: Can repentance be rejected?

Enid: I think we have to be careful not to equivocate words from different contexts or assign meanings and definitions from one context to another.

In Esau's case, the writer of Hebrews is not using the word repentance in the sense that we typically use it in the New Testament. He is not referring to repentance from sin or wrongdoing. Esau had given up his birthright, sold it cheaply. When he thought about it, he wanted to take his decision back (repent of what he had done), but he could not. This is not a case of God refusing to accept a man's repentance for sin. It is a case of a man desperately wanting to turn back the clock and undo a stupid decision, but he could not.

Hope that helps.

Travis


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 2022/4/11 22:05Profile
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This scripture lets us know it’s possible to be a son but lose our inheritance do to our bad choices in life. This scripture is not about losing eternal life, that is not possible once having been born from above. It is possible to be a nasty son since our will is still ours after our new birth. The Lord is working in us but we can still fight Him. I believe this scripture shows God has a point with a son he won’t give him the inheritance He once offered at the beginning of our walk though he is a son.

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