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deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead

 The similarities between the time of Jeremiah and now

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

Jeremiah 14:14
And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

Jeremiah 28:10-12
New King James Version

10 Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke off the prophet Jeremiah’s neck and broke it. 11 And Hananiah spoke in the presence of all the people, saying, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Even so I will break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years.’ ” And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

12 Now the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, after Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying,

During the time of Jeremiah. They were expecting god to release Judgemen. The prophets were saying that the judgement wasn't go to last long or how can God release Judgement on Jerusalem.

We sometimes say the same thing about the church, how can god release judgement on the church

Jeremiah 25:9
behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations.

God actually calls Nebuchadnezzar his servant

Jeremiah 25:9
behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ says the Lord, ‘and Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land, against its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 37:10
For though you had defeated the whole army of the Chaldeans who fight against you, and there remained only wounded men among them, they would rise up, every man in his tent, and burn the city with fire.’

God even says about the destruction of Jerusalem

Today we have people such as those that believe in things like in the health and wealth gospel and the pre-trib rapture who believe that they will escape destruction, we need jesus

Jeremiah 35:17
“Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will bring on Judah and on all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the doom that I have pronounced against them; because I have spoken to them but they have not heard, and I have called to them but they have not answered.’ ”

Jeremiah 29:18
And I will pursue them with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence; and I will deliver them to trouble among all the kingdoms of the earth—to be a curse, an astonishment, a hissing, and a reproach among all the nations where I have driven them,

The thing is in this world as jesus says

John 16:33
These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Isaiah 30:10
Who say to the seers, “Do not see,” And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits.

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”


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Dominic Shiells

 2022/3/5 17:40Profile
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 Re: The similarities between the time of Jeremiah and now

Indeed, we live in a time very much like Jeremiah's time in that we live in society that knew truth and yet turned away.

Our message to such a society should be like Jeremiah's message but remember, he is called the weeping prophet. We need tears for our generation as well.

On this topic,I would highly recommend reading Death in the City by Francis Schaeffer

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Ron Halverson

 2022/3/5 20:26Profile
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 Re: The similarities between the time of Jeremiah and now

Not only Jeremiah, all the other prophets, also. As I study these OT prophets alongside the warnings given by Jesus and other writers in the NT I am convinced we are nearing a time of severe judgement in our country and/or the western world.

Sandra


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Sandra Miller

 2022/4/26 18:15Profile
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In going to Israel as the palace was still there and the cistern which jeremiah got put into is still there

the passage came to life


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Dominic Shiells

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"As I study these OT prophets alongside the warnings given by Jesus and other writers in the NT I am convinced we are nearing a time of severe judgement in our country and/or the western world."
I believe judgement is coming such as we have never seen before and it is just about here now. It will affect all of the western world, possibly the whole world.

1 Corinthians chapter 10 is a warning for us
In v:11 we read "Now these things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. 12 So the one who thinks he is standing firm should be careful not to fall.…"

Some believers have been trying to warn us almost 100 years ago !
https://www.biblebelievers.com/misc_periodical_articles/mbi_002.html

In Christ alone our only hope is found

Markus

 2022/5/1 8:56Profile
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When I see many so-called "prophets" predicting peace and safety (look at how many of them said Trump would win the 2020 election!) I am reminded of Micaiah the son of Imlah against Zedekiah the son of Chenanaah and all of the false prophets with him. You have one righteous man prophesying something no one wanted to hear: Israel's army defeated in battle. No doubt Zedekiah was popular with the people (maybe he could have had his own TBN program if he were alive today.) Not many people wanted to hear Micaiah's "doom and gloom" message. But Micaiah was right.

What is even more alarming and perplexing to me is the fact that, like Jehoshaphat made an alliance with wicked Ahab, many godly, righteous leaders in these days are associating, and in some cases in league with, blatant false prophets. I see pastors that sounded the alarm 20 years ago about stuff like the Toronto "blessing", Bethel/NAR and the prosperity gospel now have ties to these people.

To me, whenever I see this, I am reminded of Jesus' words: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24.


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Nigel Holland

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 Re: The similarities between the time of Jeremiah and now

Hi Dominic,

It is quite remarkable how we see the similarity between Jeremiah's time and ours.
So many false prophets and so called apostles and all kinds of heresies which our Lord Jesus Christ warned us about that we will encounter in the last days.

But God will surely bring judgment on those false prophets like how He judged Hananiah for prophesying lies.
Psalms chapter 10 shows what will happen to the false prophets (the hunters) it is long for me to copy and paste.
The false prophets boasts about what they dreamt and saw visions and about their mystical experiences. They seem quite invisible and seems like they are excelling and growing in power but their end is not sweet as they were thinking of. I hope they repent and seek God's mercy before it is too late.

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?
This verse reminds me of a book that Pastor Bill Randles wrote on false prophets.
Thank you for this post. We really need Jesus Christ and we really need to trust in His holy name more than ever before.

God bless you brother,
Robert


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I'm not defending any prophets by asking this question but what do you say about Jonah's prophecy that never came to pass he prophesized the fall of neniva, but it did not happen according to the word of the Lord, there was no conditions on that prophecy. Jonah was told to tell them that in 40 days it's over, but God changed his mind or changed his word because of the actions of certain people how do you reconcile these things with what many people say that if a prophet speaks and it doesn't come to pass then he's thrown out as a false prophet because according to that logic Jonah would have been a false prophet and also this verse check this one out. 20 In (B)those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’ ”

2 Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3 (C)“Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.

4 And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5 “Return and tell Hezekiah (D)the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: (E)“I have heard your prayer, I have seen (F)your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6 And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and (G)I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David.” ’ ”. Another example of a prophet speaking a decree and prophecy from the lord which did not come to pass, God changed his mind and showed mercy this is not the only verses where we see this type of thing. But what this does do is open up the door for biblical proof that one can speak a prophetic word from the lord without giving the conditions in the prophecy that if you repent these things won't happen or if you don't repent these things will happen. Prophecy sometimes seems to miss out that there are conditions attached to prophecies. Most prophecies that given whether today or yesteryear that contained conditions or not, are conditional prophecies that require people to wage the good warfare according to the prophecies like Paul said to Timothy. Today very few prophecies are decrees that will just come to pass, they have to be prayed for or contened for or against . Repentance is often required for blessings to come.... And Then when it comes to wrong prophecies, The apostle Paul shows grace , when he says all of you should desire to prophecy, and do it accoring to the faith you have , then otherwho are mature in the prophetic should judge those words , and discard not the one who gets it wrong, but discard the wrong prophecy. This is literally the apostal pauls commands to the churches, how many of us really obedient to the words of paul.

 2022/5/1 23:17Profile
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Hi brothagary,

Jonah spoke God's warning to the people of Nineveh. It was a threat from God like how a father would say to his child if you don't turn off the TV in 10 seconds I will have to cut off desserts for two weeks or .
If you don't clean your room I will not give you a toy or something like that
As for Hezekiah, we must ask the Lord Jesus for insight. I believe Isaiah spoke God's word about Hezekiah and it is true that he will die but He extended his life by His mercy.
Like we deserve to die because of our sins but God in His mercy gave us new life in Christ Jesus

But getting a prophecy wrong like Trump being re-elected to second term is obviously not conditional but an excuse. Those so called prophets are trying to justify themselves and bringing up Jonah and Hezekiah saying they got it wrong so we are alright.
They boast about being a prophet of God but they don't own up. They have spoken presumptuously and their word wasn't from the Lord Jesus.

And if a prophet predicts something but his teaching is to worship the golden calf or some idols instead of the true LORD God who led the Israelites out of Egypt with his mighty hand, the LORD warns us not to follow them.

Also when God speaks, he fulfills His word.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:3‭-‬4 NIV


God bless you

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Hi brother, I don't think I understand what you mean, are you saying it's ok for god to change his mind as we see done throughout the Old testament but now it's not ok for him to do that.?

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