Quote: It is a prophet’s prerogative to use exaggerated language.

Tod exaggeration is a form of lying - God doesn't lie and neither do his prophets and I am sure that you would agree with me in that.

What I was trying to point out was, what God has said through his prophet has not happen - Babylon may have fallen to the Persian army but that is but a shadow of what will happen at the day of Lord - when Christ returns.

For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Isa 13:1

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

For me it says the stars shall not give off their light then that's what will happen - we shouldn't downplay it and say this is the "convulsions of governments"

It's the Day of the Lord - this is when Christ returns.

When the King of Babylon - Satan himself will be dealt with, as it says this proverb will be taken up - How hath the oppressor ceased! Isa 14:4

Can you imagine that day - the joy of the victory over Satan - God tells us through his prophet "The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing" Isa 14:7

Great and marvelous are your deeds,
Lord God Almighty.
Just and true are your ways,
King of the nations

Who will not fear you, Lord,
and bring glory to your name?
For you alone are holy.

All nations will come
and worship before you,
for your righteous acts have been revealed.

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Colin Murray

How can you say that the prophets don’t use exaggerated language? It is not lying. Jesus did the same.

In the scripture I gave regarding Edom, it is not still burning. That is exaggerated language.

So Isaiah’s statements regarding Babylon do not require us to apply them to some far future fulfillment.

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Todd

Colin,

You do not have to defend exaggerated vs non-exaggerated. Everyone has their own opinion and understanding.

I personally believe Isaiah 14 is describing satan, though it may not mention him precisely because it uses exaggerated language.

God knows what is what and who is who!!

God bless us all,
Lisa

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Lisa

It's a well established and acknowledged characteristic of Hebrew prophecy. Double fulfillment. Sensus plenior to use a fancy theological term. The prophecy may have a partial fulfillment in the somewhat immediate future of the speaker and audience. Yet have a more complete and exhaustive fulfillment in the distant future. People like John Calvin, George Eldon Ladd and many others acknowledge this peculiarity in regards to Hebrew and biblical prophecy. Isaiah, Joel, Jesus and Peter were not tracking with each and saying the same things centuries apart about the day of the Lord for no reason at all.

Plus, why should we see a prophesied coming judgment or coming event to be a sure concrete reality but descriptions of events surrounding these events should be considered allegorical or just a manner of speaking?

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David Winter

Quote: In the scripture I gave regarding Edom, it is not still burning. That is exaggerated language.

No its not exaggerated that is going to happen and if you read the verse before you find out when.

Quote: So Isaiah’s statements regarding Babylon do not require us to apply them to some far future fulfillment.

If that what you think then you'll miss the meaning and try and explain it away.

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Colin Murray

Lysa

I am not trying to defend exaggerated vs non-exaggerated - all I am saying is that God does not lie.

God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? Num 23:29

Sensus plenior - I guess you learn something new every day.

Quote: The prophecy may have a partial fulfillment in the somewhat immediate future of the speaker and audience. Yet have a more complete and exhaustive fulfillment in the distant future.

That's exactly what I mean.

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Colin Murray

I believe when it looks like exaggerated language it’s a sign it has yet to happen. History repeats itself and the Bible jumps ahead to the last days without warning all the time. People often believe something has taken place because history had a similar event but it just hasn’t happened yet. Eastern storytelling jumps around like that often . Just a thought