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MrBillPro
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 Will the walls of denomination be torn down?

I read in 1 Corinthians 14:26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.

I'm not sure that this scripture above is talking about walls of denomination being torn down. My question is, is there any scripture that mentions that the walls of denomination will eventually be torn down?


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 Re: Will the walls of denomination be torn down?

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I read in 1 Corinthians 14:26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.



Brother,

That scripture is not referring to denominationalism. But other passages in 1 Corinthians does so as he is addressing the root selfishness and carnality that causes divisions in that letter. We have to remember that the Church was One for hundreds of years and essentially over 1000 years of Church history.

The idea of division was the worst of sins to the early Church, it was unthinkable. One early Church leader said that it would be like tearing at the very flesh of Jesus Christ (as we are truly the body of Christ) what an unthinkable terrible thing to do.

1 Corinthians 3:3-4
"for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?"

Strife is wrong and any dividing over opinions was wrong also, or preferring one teacher over another. Even those teachers would rebuke such people as those teachers were all unified in the faith of Jesus Christ.

Jesus prayed in John 17 that we would all be one. That is God's will the unity of the body of Christ. False prophets in new testament scripture are the ones that divide or seperate themselves.

We should ask ourselves questions like are we in-line with the historic beliefs of the Church and early Church? Or have we gone off on a seperate path of understanding? Am I causing division in the body of Christ by my strong opinions in a doctrine or matter?

The Scriptures are not meant to be re-interpreted by every generation but Paul the Apostle said in Jude that its the "faith ONCE delivered to the saints"

God give us all grace to seek unity and come to center ourselves on the apostolic gospel and beliefs of the early Church.


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Thank you Brother Greg. The reason I even ask this question was, another Brother long ago "He has went to be with the Lord now" mentioned to me one time, that in the latter days, the Bible says, eventually the walls of denomination will be torn down. This thought rose up again in me the other day, so I wanted to dig a little deeper into this, to find scripture/scriptures that confirmed this.

Thank You


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 Re: Will the walls of denomination be torn down?

When revival comes, walls are either broken down, or set as a protection against unbelieving enemies like in Nehemias time.


When the revival comes to an end and the people of God backslide, all is left are denominational walls or ruins of walls with dry bones inside.

until someone comes and speaks to the dry bones..

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Interesting post - when we go back far enough, the church separated over a [Edit: what could be considered a] major doctrinal issue which lead to the Eastern church and Western (now the Roman Catholic).

During the Reformation - it was the Western church that was involved - and the Eastern stayed pretty much out of it. So the question is, if denominations are bad - and we go back far enough, was the Reformation wrong and is the Eastern (Orthodox) the true church?

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Hi All,
Denominations will disappear before the end.
Why?
Because all will go out to the wilderness(figuratively) to hear the Spirit of Elijah through the Church.In the wilderness everyone reliquishes their authoriy as the sadducees and pharisees had too when they went out to hear John who was Elijah if you care to accept it.
The Church comes under the Spirit of Elijah and Elijah restores the twelve stones again just as the Tishbite did on Mt Carmel and the Baptist did with the Twelve who according to Peter all came under John's ministry before they came under Jesus's Ministry.Acts 1.Peter explains to the 120 that Pentecost comes from John not Jesus.Jesus being the sacrifice and John being the person who prepared the sacrifice,who poured water on the sacrifice and rebuit the alter namely the Twelve Apostles.
The reason we have denominations (taking into account some are Christian and some are not)in the first place anyway is due to teaching.One says one thing and another believes a different thing.Under the coming Elijah the Twelve stones are restored again,namely teaching or in another way of putting it Apostolic doctrine.Their will be one doctrine or one teaching.The Church is going back out to the wilderness to hear the Spirit of Elijah and come under Apostolic Authority once again because thats where the power will be.Now your wilderness might be inner city LA or the mountains of Columbia,it will be different for everyone but wherever the Spirit of Elijah is the Christian will go out to hear him in the end and come under proper structure and Authority and Teaching.Elijah comes before the Lord always to make ready his paths,to rebuild and restore and to pour water on all who are under the Sacrifice.Times Time and half a time,3 1/2 yrs,1260 days or 42months if you are willing to accept it,
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Ps you may sit on the fence for a while but you will know who has the authority and who is from God when the Prophets of Baal lose in what ever modern setting that will take place.

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Dear Kerygma, I’m glad that you posted, because it brought this thread back up to view.

I agree this is an interesting topic and one that I have also pondered for years.

In my opinion, to have the most accurate perspective on the true church, we must go back to Christ Jesus himself, within whom the church begins and finds its fulfillment. All else is surely man-made.

Brother Bill, as for denominational walls coming down, while I’m not sure on the literal timing and fulfillment of these things, a few verses ring loudly in my spirit of that great and glorious day when there will be no more man-made divisions among us:

“Revelation 21:

[4] He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

[22-27] But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

See that, “the former things have passed away!”....wouldn’t that include denominations?

And, “nor anyone who does what is detestable and false will enter it”...I.e. those who created false divisions.

How exciting that Christ Jesus has already won the victory that ensures those realities are coming in their fullness!

In the meantime, we can extend much mercy and grace to whoever has differing opinions, knowing that Christ Jesus has the perfect perspective and vantage point, and will render final judgement accordingly.

Love you brothers!


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Caleb4life

Interesting points

"In my opinion, to have the most accurate perspective on the true church, we must go back to Christ Jesus himself, within whom the church begins and finds its fulfillment. All else is surely man-made"

I agree. Saying this though - Jesus being Sovereign and head of the church knew the Apostles would pass down the teachings. Apostolic succession is part of the church's history. One has to ask - was it the will of God for the church to transition the way it has. An easy answer is no. But a seed starts off small, as does a sapling. When the tree is mature it looks much different. I do see beauty and consistency in church history and the Eastern church. Saying this answering are denominations wrong - maybe, but then denominations are birthed from the Reformation and many are still somewhat protesting causing more schisms. This takes me back to my original thought - would the Western or Eastern church be the true church - and would the Reformation be a negative thing on the church, not positive...

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 Re: Thanks!

Thanks! Lots of enlightening information here, I appreciate all the replies, and hopefully we can find more scripture that addresses this. I think the denominational walls all over this world, has done more to divide the body of Christ than anything else. JMO


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 Re: Will the walls of denomination be torn down?

Denominations are not bad in the eyes of God, what is evil in the eyes of God are those who do not want to be part of any earthly fellowship (or Church) and live alone. They blame denominations and wait for it to be torn down but God is waiting for them to repent from their lack of love for fellow brothers and sisters.

Paul himself says divisions are good.

1 COr 11:19And indeed, there must be differences among you to show which of you are approved.

Even the early 1500 years when people think the Church was one, there would have been division inside the one church and only few were approved. Today the divisions are so evident in the name of denominations and only few are approved. Our calling is not to blame the divisions and stay away from Church like few foolish believers here who are not part of any CHurch do! Instead our calling is to find the approved one and be part of it.

Approved side of division (or denomination) is one in which Christ is in the midst. A true disciple of Christ will not stop until he finds a Church with Christ in the midst, he will not be a keyboard warrior fellowshipping with Computers!



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