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 Salvation in its fourfold aspects !

The Salvation of God in Christ in its biblical testimony is fourfold. Its presented from an eternal aspect, legal historical, subjective and finally glorification.

All men who shall ever be saved in and by Christ are first and foremost saved by and in Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, wherein Grace was given them in Him before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Who hath saved us according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

From Gods Eternal perspective which perspective is outside of time, the Elect of God, those Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4, have always been saved from Gods Wrath to come for sin, in His Eternal Decree they have always been appointed to Salvation and not Wrath as others 1 Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Yes, some and maybe even most of mankind have been appointed to wrath, Paul terms them the vessels of wrath which are fitted for destruction See Rom 9:21-22, but those appointed to mercy and salvation from everlasting are the vessels of mercy Rom 9:23-24; Ps 103:17

 2021/7/11 7:39
TMK
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 Re: Salvation in its fourfold aspects !

Well, at least you are admitting that Calvinism’s God is monstrous. That’s admirable.


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Todd

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 Re: Salvation in its fourfold aspects !

Secondly, All men who shall ever be saved in and by Christ are saved legally and historically in time when the actual payment for their Salvation was accomplished at the Cross of Christ, It was
then He paid the full price for their Salvation, Jn 19:30. However be mindful as far as Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ was concerned, Christ had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 and foreordained to redeem Gods Elect before the world began 1Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, So the Saving Redeeming Effects of the Cross and Blood of Christ was before and after His Death in time, which historically is dated for 33 ad. In time He was made a curse for us [Gods Elect] and redeemed us from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13; Gal 4:4-5

So even from everlasting the Cross in time was focal !

 2021/7/12 5:39









 Re: TMK

Do you want to discuss the OP ?

 2021/7/12 5:40
TMK
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The moderators in the past have made it clear that Calvinism discussions are taboo on the forum so I am not sure why your posts espousing same are allowed to stand.

In other words, I cannot engage your posts without debating Calvinism.


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Todd

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Thirdly Salvation is subjectively by the Spirit and the Word of the Gospel. So every sinner that is saved by the eternal purpose of God, and the legal historical transaction of the cross in time, shall be saved subjectively. This means they will experience a new birth Spiritually by the Spirit Jn 3:6-8

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Now the saved sinner needs a Sovereign Act of the Spirit in them, in order to the saving that comes through the word of God . In other words there must be a saving by the Spirit before there can be a saving by the preached word. So in my opinion the bible teaches subjective Salvation in two parts, new birth and through the preached word. 2 Thess 2:13-14 sheds for that truth.

 2021/7/13 4:42
Elibeth
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 Re: Salvation in its fourfold aspects !


Question:
Are there requirements for us after we have entered in through the ‘entrance’ that has been made for us
through The precious Blood of Jesus on The cross ??

“Gods Way Of Holiness “
By:Horatius Bonar

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P9FZ9er7cUY&feature=share

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elizabeth

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 Re: Elibeth

Hi So do you understand this thread ?

 2021/7/13 11:00
Elibeth
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Brightfame52,
Not sure that I do fully understand what you are saying, it is me, so please see if
how I understand your understanding of saving Grace,... *when and *who it is for, so forth and so on, as to what you are saying. Sorry about that.
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It is true, God made a way in all things for man in the beginning , as He knew the end from the beginning,.. so He,as a Good Father, He planned,.. set it in order for us, to *save us from eternal hell. However this did not come into being ( make manifest/real, until, as we know until Jesus came and through His Blood, the *Way was made for us, individually, as His *Grace drew us to God. Then we had a choice, whereas, we could except this *saving Grace, or we could reject it.

*Grace:
“The Devine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life”
(The Spirit of God drawing us to Him, and providing the power to repent,( turn from our wicked way, unto His provided *Way.)

That Grace continues on with us, to save us, if we do not shun or take His Grace in vain,..(treat it as nothingness)

Now, back to what I was saying,...
He provided for us all things,.. He did not just throw us out on this earth, we know, without provisions for Everything needful.... and I stress Everything.

So beforehand, God had a plan set in place, *although it was not manifest at that time, but it was called into place,.. to become real to us individually as the *Grace of God calls us, to *save us from our sins.

Now, is this what you are saying , brother?

Anyway, I hope I have been clear,..( which I am not always clear)

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elizabeth

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So after the Spirit does His Sanctifying and Renewing Work in us, implanting a new mind, heart, will and affections, which things give Spiritual receptivity of the things of God, its then we are saved from the darkness and delusion of false hopes and religion, and receive the truth of the Gospel, which saves us. Thats why Paul writes scriptures like 1 Cor 1:21

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The saving here isn't the saving from the penalty of sin, no that was accomplished by the eternal purpose and legal savings of God in Christ. However even with that the elect are still born blind and dead to God, and need saving in that regard as well. Again Paul says some will be saved by hearing sound doctrine 1 Tim 4:16

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine[Gospel]; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 2021/7/14 9:33





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