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TMK
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Brightfame is obviously in the total depravity/total inability camp. That, or I am totally not understanding what he is saying.

Jesus says you must be born again and that the way to this is belief. Paul said that anyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


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Todd

 2021/6/15 11:49Profile









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Yes man naturally is spiritually dead to God.

 2021/6/15 15:46
TMK
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Then why does Jesus and Paul and the other apostles tell men to do something about it??? It’s throughout the NT. And OT for that matter.


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Todd

 2021/6/15 17:11Profile
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The flesh doesn't choose god, nor produce faith that pleases God unto salvation, the natural man is an enemy of god according to paul, the holy spirit draws on the spirit of man and illuminates the spirit and gives revelation to the spirit of man, and it is the inner spirit of man who through the workings of the spirit of God, believes the gospel. Saving faith is a result of the holy spirit intermingling with the inerman , it has nothing to do with the flesh or the old man . The flesh and the old man has only the ability to understand its guilt and be convicted of sin but hasn't the ability to produce anything good or Godly. The bible says god deals to each man the measure of faith. Saving faith is an attribute of the divine nature of Christ.
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 2021/6/15 18:51Profile
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You can’t explain away every scripture that commands men to repent and believe. The gospel is simple and your twisting it into something complex is an affront to the Lord.


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 2021/6/15 20:43Profile
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The bible explains it clearly tod 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jesus says ..63The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

 2021/6/16 1:41Profile
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If you believe the flesh can repent and believe, then keep on believing that, paul says na and Jesus says na

 2021/6/16 1:44Profile









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To do something about it ? You lost me !

 2021/6/16 9:29
TMK
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//To do something about it ? You lost me !//

Only because you are being purposefully obtuse.


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Todd

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Okay whatever !

 2021/6/16 11:31





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