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Sree
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 Prophesy of Agabus

I see few posts about Agabus and how he predicted the future etc. There are 2 prophecies of Agabus in the book of acts,

1. Acts 11:29 in which he predicted the famine. Yes it is prediction of the future, but it was made to the Church of Antioch. He did not stand and predict the future to unknown people. The whole purpose of the prophesy is to warn the Church and make it ready to help the needy. We can read the awarness that this prophesy produced in the next verse.

It cannot be compared to these worthless political predictions made to unknown views in social media.

2. Acts 21:11 - here he is predicting the suffering of Paul in Jerusalem. It resulted in an action of praying for Paul with tears from the Church.
Again it was a prophesy made in the context of the Church. It cannot be compared with any social media stunts to gain publicity.

Predicting the future is not primary purpose of Prophesy. Though we see few instances of it in the book of Acts, we do not see any mention of it in the Epistles. We should develop our theology based on Epistles not based on Acts. For example Agabus could be a prophet by OT who then came to Christ. His gift of OT might still continue. But that does not mean God is still giving the same gift. I am not saying God will not, I am just saying we should not develop our theology by acts. If we do then why not circumcise each other like how Paul did Timothy? We all know the same Paul condemned such acts in the Epistles.

The epistles clearly say the purpose of prophesy is to edify and exhort (1 Cor 14:3). We should stand by this verse than what we understand from few rare instances in the book of acts.


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Sreeram

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 Re: Docs

Docs, I apologize for appearing to judge this speaker. That is not my intention. I agree with many points he mentioned about NT vs OT prophets. I wanted to say that just because I agree with his points, it does not mean I approve of him. Let him apply them and live it. I am very careful on whom I approve. It was just a word of caution that I used here. I have no intention to judge him. I am sorry if it appeared so.


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Sreeram

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I have been blessed by Jeremiah Johnson. He is a young man, and has called out many things that are wrong with the prophetic movement.

There has been in the Body of Christ the exalting of a man, believing that if the right men were in office it would fix everything.

What would have happened in the election if Donald Trump would have repented and said that he was wrong?

I believe that Trump was as a Cyrus and fulfilled the will of God for a season.

There is great trouble coming to U.S. We are headed for a radical change in our nation. The answer has always been 2 Chronicles 7.


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Mike

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 Re: brother David

Yes it is doubtful that JJ mentioned Agabus yet in scripture he had a role to play in Gods plan :))

Again I believe we might be talking past one another in that I do not see who could themselves verify a word from a prophet (office) 🤷🏽‍♂️
Now certainly a general prophecy could be tested by the body but not a word from a prophet (office)... where in Acts or NT does this ever happen?

I remember our dear brother Keith Daniels had been invited and went into this place and gave a series of messages that were heartily received by some but rejected of others, namely the church leaders (pastors) took issue with the word of the prophet that they required all their own members whom had come forward after Keith preached to identify themselves, stand and leave the assembly having their membership revoked... later at a meeting to justify themselves before the people, God killed each one (3 total) in succession right in front of everybody and the word (prophecy) brought by Keith was tested and found lacking by well meaning men, but was upheld and even preserved by God.

(This was part of the msg given at SI conference in ATL GA sept 2013, I believe the title was something like - preach the law or get out of the pulpit)

We as the body must be disciplined lest we overreach and blaspheme our Lord and savior. These men were doing exactly what JJ is suggesting and God required their lives of them for it 🤷🏽‍♂️

Again not trying to “be right” or argue at all,... I love you and believe you are just as sincere as myself, maybe more so - I do believe you are right in bringing JJ’s word here to be tested but when a prophet speaks the things of God we should handle those words soberly and earnestly.

I believe it was brother Billy who shared this msg on another thread, I believe you will be greatly blessed by it 🙏🏻

https://ia800608.us.archive.org/8/items/SERMONINDEX_SID2456/SID2456.mp3


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Fletcher

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Sir,
Be very wary of this individual. I can only tell you this by experience of his younger brother, Josiah. I was able to watch Josiah, firsthand; he is just a younger less mature version of his older brother. I know a zip code isn't a reason to stay away.....what comes out of Lakeland FL usually isn't profitable.


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bruce

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/Again I believe we might be talking past one another in that I do not see who could themselves verify a word from a prophet (office) 🤷🏽‍♂️/

What about other prophets? What about someone in a local assembly or someone listening who may not bear witness to their word?

/I do believe you are right in bringing JJ’s word here to be tested but when a prophet speaks the things of God we should handle those words soberly and earnestly./

But what if one who calls himself a "prophet" is not speaking the words of God? Saying that is not of God is handling the word soberly and earnestly. Saying many prophets (or so called prophets) missed their prophecies about the recent election is a sober and earnest evaluation of their word. Likewise, when a prophet does speaks the words of God and it is obvious he is doing so, then we handle those words soberly and honestly by receiving them. In keeping good bro, if one truly has the office of a prophet and speaks a word and there is no one who can verify or not verify their word then I think we would have worked ourselves into a most serious and unfortunate situation. When thinking of that, remember I said that verifying as true a word coming from a prophet can be handling the word honestly and seriously.

I will try and taker a look at the link you provided.

Thank you for all.


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David Winter

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 Re: Prophesy of Agabus

Well, if Agabus is mentioned twice there is a reason for it I would think. He predicted the future and is identified as a prophet, so I think that though not exclusively a prophet predicting the future can be part of the prophetic ministry. Though not exclusively.

I agree with you that the purpose of prophecy is mainly to comfort and edify. Perhaps as JJ stated, he believes the main ministry and role of a NT prophet is to reveal Christ to His body. That usually brings comfort and edification.

/It cannot be compared to these worthless political predictions made to unknown views in social media.

Again it was a prophesy made in the context of the Church. It cannot be compared with any social media stunts to gain publicity./

How VERY VERY much I agree with this. I believe you have hit the nail on the head.

Thank you and blessings to you.


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David Winter

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/What would have happened in the election if Donald Trump would have repented and said that he was wrong?/

I still don't knw all the ins and outs of what actually occurred by the hand of God in the election. But I know it's almost heresy to many to even suggest that President Trump, after having been granted the highest position and office on earth, may have continued in his unrepented of pride and arrogance so as to eventually have it get in the way of God's plan for him. It seems it is not entirely out of the picture of consideration and may have played a role. Whatever. Wherever we are at right now, it surely is the season to seek contriteness and humility. I feel like I have more pride of belief right now rather than humility of faith. Lord help us.


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