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What places someone in the position to be able to do something like that?



I think God puts a burden on a person's heart... just like when He calls someone to preach. What places someone in the position to preach... or be an evangelist... or a missionary?

I know in my case it is a matter of I've been there (in deception)... and I have a burden on my heart to speak out in order to prevent others from falling into it.

Krispy

 2005/7/21 17:21
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
I think God puts a burden on a person's heart... just like when He calls someone to preach. What places someone in the position to preach... or be an evangelist... or a missionary?

Is there any biblical precedent for this calling though?


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 2005/7/21 18:02Profile
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
I know in my case it is a matter of I've been there (in deception)... and I have a burden on my heart to speak out in order to prevent others from falling into it.Krispy



Wow! if you plan on devoting your life to helping others from falling into deception, I totally respect your mission but can it be a realistic mission? there is deception in this world of all kinds on every street corner, you better get down to local GNC and grab everything off the shelves you will need it along with lots of prayer would be my perscription for you in this mission. :-o

Gods Speed Krispy! :-P


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 2005/7/21 18:22Profile
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I personally feel the reason believers stumble into deception is that Satan lures us as an angel of light. He is crafty, cunning, and stealthy, He can cleverly camouflage his murderous traps with appealing enticements. If he could trick Adam and Eve, who enjoyed perfect, wonderful communion with Creator God, why do we think we can outwit him?


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It seems to me that it would go along with a prophetic calling. But I not so sure that it isn't everyone's responsibility to some degree. Just like there is an evangelist calling or office in the church, yet we are all called to preach the gospel. You can't say because I am not an evangelist I don't ever have to preach the gospel. If we seek to live as Jesus lived, walk as Jesus walked and follow the example he set for us to follow modeling our lives after His, we should feel that all of us who live and strive to live this way would be obligated to stand up against hypocrisy, false teaching and unsound doctrine. Right or wrong?

I do believe that the Lord has put a special burden in some peoples heart for this type of thing, but everyone is responsible nonetheless.

I know some may say “Well you aren’t Jesus” Yes, this is absolutely true, but shouldn’t I look to follow His example and ask myself “What did Jesus do in this same or similar circumstance?” Shouldn’t I try to live and act as Jesus lived and acted? Doesn’t Christian mean “little Christ”? When someone tells me that I shouldn’t try to live and act like Jesus did, bells and whistles go off, big time!!!


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 2005/7/21 18:38Profile
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Thank you for the kind words.

I do think that many who focus great amounts of their efforts and energy in "discernement" types of ministry are very sincere. I was once one of them, and I know that I had a real burden to protect my friends who I felt were being pulled into some charismatic chaos, and I had a real zeal for truth, at any cost. I also was probably the most radical one after God that I knew of.

Trust me, the bells and whistles were going off. And I ended up being wrong- way wrong. I'll never forget that experience. It was humbling to the core.

Have you ever felt those "bells and whistles"- felt absolutely confident that you were right- but ended up changing your mind in the long run, and eventually seeing things very (if not completely) different?

 2005/7/21 19:16Profile
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I know in my case it is a matter of I've been there (in deception)... and I have a burden on my heart to speak out in order to prevent others from falling into it.



Steve,

This is a noble burden that you have and your past experience in this area is valuable. But think back to the days when you were there, can you really place all the blame on others? The truth is that the greatest deception is not the Anti-Christ, or false prophets or TV evangelists, the greatest deception is self-deception. As the prophet said, "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked."

Perhaps this is where you should begin in your quest to warn others against falling into what you fell into. To this end, may I humbly suggest a wonderful sermon preached by Denny Kenaston titled [url=http://www.charityministries.org/tapeministry/audio/3516.mp3]The Great Deception[/url].

Praise the Lord and may you continue to grow in grace and knowledge!

In Christ,

Ron


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Is there any biblical precedent for this calling though?



Yes, Scripture calls us to mark and avoid false teachers. We are also exhorted to weigh all things against scripture to see if they are true, and to expose the false. I'm not sure it's a singled out calling, like that of a preacher... but it is something that all Christians are exhorted to do. But I also believe God lays this particular burdon on some people more than others. THere were several references here in this thead that shows that it is to be done publicly... Jesus to the Pharisees, Paul to Peter, Paul to a number of false teachers, etc etc.

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 2005/7/22 6:30









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Wow! if you plan on devoting your life to helping others from falling into deception, I totally respect your mission but can it be a realistic mission? there is deception in this world of all kinds on every street corner, you better get down to local GNC and grab everything off the shelves you will need it along with lots of prayer would be my perscription for you in this mission.



Well, this is not my life mission... I certainly do not spend 24 hours a day doing this. But when one comes into a public Christian forum like this, and sees and hears all sorts of strange things, one may feel compelled to speak up. I think to sit in silence and say nothing is a great sin. I dont spend my day walking around looking for false teachers. Be assured of that. You only see one side of me. I wear many hats.

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 2005/7/22 6:34









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I personally feel the reason believers stumble into deception is that Satan lures us as an angel of light. He is crafty, cunning, and stealthy, He can cleverly camouflage his murderous traps with appealing enticements.



Absolutely! Amen...

Krispy

 2005/7/22 6:36





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