| Poster | Thread | dohzman
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| | Re: | | I was just having fun with your comment. Believe it or not I have dumpster dived!A good many years ago. Your comment caused me to rember 27 plus years ago and in a moment of time I saw then and now and just how far the Lord has brought me. Trust me , it was a time for rejoicing!!!GLORY! But like you , I have a holy passion and also a great sense of humor and it's hard to convey that in writting. Anyway I didn't take your comments as a personal attack, I figured it was your humor coming through.
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|  2005/7/20 17:17 | Profile |
| | Re: A much needed apology... | | May God bless you today and fill you with a double Portion of His precious Holy Spirit is my prayer. |
| | 2005/7/20 17:56 | | Imimaginary
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| | Re: A much needed apology... | | Quote:
KrispyKrittr wrote:
Pro 10:11 The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
"...I'm sure I discredited myself in the eyes of many people here... both those who contribute, and those who just come here and read. I also gave ammunition to anybody who loves to find dirt on believers. I discredited my message as well, and now there will be those who will not hear what I am saying because of this. I brought reproach on Greg and sermonindex as well. More importantly I brought reproach on the name of Christ."
"If I dont keep my eyes in Christ, then I find myself needing to win."
God bless you brother for this apology! It was a blessing to me!
I do not know what happened to cause you to extend this apology and, frankly, I don't care.
I just know that tears filled my eyes as I read your message because it reminded me of my own "struggles". I have been there myself, so MANY times...
I praise the Lord for giving you the courage, humility and grace to post this message and I thank Him for allowing me to read it.
Thank you for letting your heart be exposed to every one in this forum... I know you were being lead by the Holy Spirit.
Isn't this just typical of God?! He doesn't just take care of the parties involved... His mercy reaches even to those of us who have no clue of what's going on!!!
this just reminds me of what I keep saying to myself... Obey the Lord. (period)
and here's the kicker... you never know when your obedience will cause someone, who may be watching from afar, to praise the Lord!
Thank you Father!
I praise you Holy Spirit!
My soul magnifies you Jesus! |
| | 2005/7/20 19:37 | Profile | ellie
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| | Re: A much needed apology... | | I still luv ya. You should see the mistakes I make....in my life.
I enjoy what I read, of what you write. I have always felt you have much quality to say here, please don,t leave us.
You have appologised.
The Lord bless you and give you peace and heal the pain. even pain caused by self. Amen.
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| | 2005/7/20 21:05 | Profile | philologos
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| | Re: A much needed apology... | | Quote:
But I need to beg the forgiveness of every single person on this forum...
I thought I would just draw attention to the inner workings of this post. It is entitled 'a much needed apology' and in our modern Christian use this would be all that was needed. However, an apology is not sufficient for true reconciliation. (wait a while before you protest ;-) ) An apology may suffice in getting the thing 'off your chest' but although you may feel great what happens to the offended person? The apologist has done his bit and is free, what about the offended one?
Let me cut to the chase. I would recommend that we not only 'give' an apology but that we do what Krisyp did here 'we ask for forgiveness'. Asking for forgiveness means the offended one is genuinely included in the reconciliatin process. It is not enough for someone to feel good because they have got the 'thing off their chest'; the purpose of forgiveness is not in freeing the offender from conscious guilt but is the opening of a dialogue in which a response is required from the offended one; it is the first step towards reconciliation.
It is too easily forgotten that Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (Matt. 18:18-20, KJV) has to do with forgiveness. There is a measure in which it is forgiveness that releases not the apology. Paul undestood this well; So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. (2Cor. 2:7-8, KJVS) He is not asking here that the 'apology' be accepted but that the offender be enthusiastically forgiven in a way that the offender recognises. Note the sequence, forgive, encourage and as the NKJV has it 're-affirm' your love toward him.
If you don't understand what I am getting at, the next time you sin against someone don't give an apology, ask for forgiveness. This will not only release you from your conscious guilt but it will release the sinned-against from their sense of injustice. And if you are the sinned-against be sure that you follow Paul's counsel to the church in Corinth. This is not reluctant tolerance but enthusiastic reconciliation.
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| | 2005/7/21 4:08 | Profile |
| | Re: A much needed apology | | Quote:
If you don't understand what I am getting at, the next time you sin against someone don't give an apology, ask for forgiveness. This will not only release you from your conscious guilt but it will release the sinned-against from their sense of injustice. And if you are the sinned-against be sure that you follow Paul's counsel to the church in Corinth. This is not reluctant tolerance but enthusiastic reconciliation.
Thank you for explaining this. It brings a three-dimensional comprehension and comprehensiveness to understanding the dynamics - and from an unusual angle. |
| | 2005/7/21 6:56 | | RobertW
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[u]Ron wrote[/u]...the purpose of forgiveness is not in freeing the offender from conscious guilt but is the opening of a dialogue in which a response is required from the offended one; it is the first step towards reconciliation.
Great conversation! So often it seems that a dialogue never opens up and somehow the conversation becomes one sided or 'short' sided. Is it OK for the offended party to ask some questions in this process; not making the answer to the question a criteria for forgiveness, but for the sake of helping the offended person come to terms with what happened by getting some much needed answers?
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| | 2005/7/21 8:33 | Profile | philologos
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Is it OK for the offended party to ask some questions in this process; not making the answer to the question a criteria for forgiveness, but for the sake of helping the offended person come to terms with what happened by getting some much needed answers?
Yes, I think it is. However the offender must understand that in asking for forgivness he is assuming 100% responsibility for the offence. There are no 'mitigating circumstances' in a request for forgiveness. It is a guilty man asking for mercy, not a confused one asking for understanding.
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| | 2005/7/21 10:11 | Profile | born_again
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| | Re: | | Rom 15: 1-2-3
NKJV We then who are strong ought to bear with the scruples of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, leading to EDIFICATION. For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me
NIV--1We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, TO BUILD HIM UP. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.
New American Standard --Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his EDIFICATION. For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written,
THE REPROACHES OF THOSE WHO REPROACHED YOU FELL ON ME."
New Living Translation --1We may know that these things make no difference, but we cannot just go ahead and do them to please ourselves. We must be considerate of the doubts and fears of those who think these things are wrong. We should please others. If we do what helps them, WE WILL BUILD THEM UP IN THE LORD. For even Christ didn't please himself. As the Scriptures say, "Those who insult you are also insulting me.
KJV--We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to EDIFICATION. For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Contemporary English Version-- If our faith is strong, we should be patient with the Lord's followers whose faith is weak. We should try to please them instead of ourselves. We should think of their good and try to help them by doing what pleases them. Even Christ did not try to please himself. But as the Scriptures say, "The people who insulted you also insulted me."
American Standard Verson - Now we that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each one of us please his neighbor for that which is good, unto EDIFYING. For Christ also pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell upon me.
AMPLIFIELD-- WE WHO are strong [in our convictions and of robust faith] ought to bear with the failings and the frailties and the tender scruples of the weak; [we ought to help carry the doubts and qualms of others] and not to please ourselves.
Let each one of us make it a practice to please (make happy) his neighbor for his good and for his true welfare, to edify him [to strengthen him and build him up spiritually]. For Christ did not please Himself [gave no thought to His own interests]; but, as it is written, The reproaches and abuses of those who reproached and abused you fell on Me.
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| | 2005/7/21 11:14 | Profile |
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he is assuming 100% responsibility for the offence. There are no 'mitigating circumstances' in a request for forgiveness. It is a guilty man asking for mercy, not a confused one asking for understanding.
I cant speak for others... but thats where I am with this.
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