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billy1980
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 The Coming Delusion

“It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.”1

The Apostle Paul in the second chapter of 2 Thessalonians reveals an event within the Biblical time frame that stops all hope of one being able to repent and turn to Christ after it has been set into motion! I say this as a serious warning! Our time is running out to point people to Jesus. When the abomination of desolation happens revealed to Daniel.2 They will be unable to hear us anymore. The desolation describes the events of the Antichrist in the middle of the seven year period known as the Great Tribulation.

I. Those not in Christ, will be Deceived!
“Now we request you, brethren, (those in Christ) with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.“3

So we are not to allow ourselves to be shaken or disturb by:

a. a spirit, meaning either a human, or possibly a demon.

b. A message, meaning a word spoken on the subject

c. A letter, meaning a sermon, book, or notes taken and given to you.

Brothers and sisters those not in Christ will not know the signs Christ clearly told His disciples would happen before He would come back!4 There is hope now for them, but when the abomination has happened all hope will be gone. Honestly, I will admit here that before or after for the saint close to Christ, it will be what it will be! However for the rest of the world it will be being forced to worship the Anti-Christ and live in an eternal Lake of fire forever!

II. They will Believe the Anti–Christ is God!

“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ) will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (the Antichrist) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.” 5

The Antichrist will come before Christ does. Scripture warns He will even overcome those in Christ! Christ will not return until after His cheap imitator, the Antichrist is revealed as Paul warns us. It’s the clear warning that bursts out from within my spirit. Those not in Christ will believe the Anti-Christ is God! Now is the time to ask Father what His will for our day to day life is. Let us walk by the Spirit listening and following His directions.

III. The Antichrist will do Great Miracles and Signs, Deceiving them.

“… that is, the one (The Anti-Christ) whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 6

IV. They will Worship him as though he is God.

“It was also given to him (The Anti-Christ) to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 6

Scripture says the Anti-Christ will overcome the saints! He will do great miracles and the unconverted will also fall down before him and worship him as though he was truly God.

V. A Deluding Influence will Force those not in Christ to Believe the Antichrist.

For this reason God will send upon them (all those not in Christ) a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.” 7

A deluding influence will be put on all who do not come to Christ in repentance, through faith at that time! The season of mercy and forgiveness through Christ Jesus will be over. No one will be able to go to Christ any longer for salvation! NO, there will be no more hope. All that will be left is judgment, for those who failed to repent and desperately cling to Christ death and resurrection as their only hope. Christ lives within us brethren. Christ wants the world to see Himself through us. We should have a holy desire to humble ourselves and seek Gods face for His direction and empowering at this time. In all things God's will be done on Earth as it is already done in Heaven.

In closing I echo the encouragement of Marks gospel to the Roman gentile Christians long ago. for in it Christ said, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.8

In Christ,

Billy

1.Revelation 13:8
2.It happens in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. Daniel 9:27
3.2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
See also Mark 13, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Revelations 6, 4.7:1-8, Acts 2:19-20, Joel 2:31, 2 Thessalonians 2
5.2 Thessalonians 2 9-10
6.Revelation 13: 7-9
7.2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
8.Mark 13:24-27


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William

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 Re: The Coming Delusion

Hi Billy,

The glorious prophecy of the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ has been wrecked by bringing Antichrist into the seventieth week in the Seventy Weeks Prophecy in Daniel 9.

Are you able to give scripture that connects beyond doubt the event in the middle of the 70th week (Dan. 9:27) with the events in the Revelation and 2 Thessalonians passages you mentioned?

I submit that they are different events.

Blessings.



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Jade,

Perhaps it would be better to hold to the simplicity of the Scriptures and accept that the book of Daniel is sealed and cannot be opened until it is opened. Also, that the Revelation of Christ to the churches is not sealed and so can be understood.

The difference is a simple difference of Israel and the Church of Christ.

The difference that you perceive is the difference of the Chosen People of God and the elect and the chosen of God in Christ Jesus. The unifying truth is the Cross.

Daniel's book is sealed and unless you are a Jew and raised up by the Father to speak to Israel then it may be more profitable not to teach those who are gentiles about that which is expressly for Israel. It is Jerusalem that is the theatre and no where else. If you are a Jew and the Father has raised you up to reveal what is necessary for Israel then go to Jerusalem.

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Rhuomai,

Was it to His disciples or the Jewish nation that the Lord Jesus opened the books of the prophets?

Luke 24:25-27 –
And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Luke 24:44-47 –
Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.


To whom did Peter say the prophets wrote to, and what did he say the prophets prophesied?

1 Pet. 1:10-12 –
As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven-- things into which angels long to look.


Quote:
It is Jerusalem that is the theatre and no where else……go to Jerusalem.


John 4:21-24 –
Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Rev. 21:10-11 –
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.


Have you rebuilt the partition that God has broken down?

Eph. 2:14 (KJV) -
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Eph. 4:4-6 –
There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


Blessings


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 Re:The Coming Delusion

Sister,

Did Daniel speak about the death and resurrection of Christ? If he did, and as you are using the Scriptures to deflect what I said to you, then I am at fault am I not? If Daniel did not speak about the suffering of Christ, His death and resurrection then you are misusing the Scriptures are you not?



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Then please explain the scriptures I quoted.

Is "thus saith Rhoumai" more authoritative than "thus saith the LORD"?


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//Is "thus saith Rhoumai" more authoritative than "thus saith the LORD"?//

I think possibly so!


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Sister,

I am not sure why any explanation I could give would be of any benefit to either you or myself, but if I knew which Scripture you were asking me to explain then at least I could consider what benefit could be found.

I am of course willing to be accountable for the direction of what I write. Surly we must all be willing to give an account of the hope we have in Christ!

You originally told William that by making anti christ the man of the seventieth week at the mid-week point had made ruin of the meaning of Daniels prophecy. Now you tell myself that I am wrong to say that Daniel is a sealed book and cannot be revealed to anyone but Israel according to the flesh and by a Jew according to the flesh in the time of the period it speaks about to a people who rejected Christ even though He was their true King.

Of course I didn't mention all that detail - I somewhat wrongly assume sometimes that those with a prophetic ambition can see the threads that they have already woven into a garment.

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Rhoumai,

Matt. 9:16 (KJV) –
No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.


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And where in your original post sister does this passage you have now given as a snare appear? Are you answering my question or setting a snare?

BeginQuote:

I am not sure why any explanation I could give would be of any benefit to either you or myself, but if I knew which Scripture you were asking me to explain then at least I could consider what benefit could be found.

EndQuote:

You said:

BeginQuote:

Then please explain the scriptures I quoted.

Is "thus saith Rhoumai" more authoritative than "thus saith the LORD"?

EndQuote:

It does seem remarkable that my sharing my understanding could produce such a spirit as yourself and now Tod have shown to possess.

Are we not disclosing the difference between Christ and Anti Christ in a claim to Daniel's seventieth week being fulfilled or else to be fulfilled? If it is a matter of Christ or Anti Christ would it not be better to forsake bitterness and contentions?

How is it that a stranger can come into your midst and stand in defence of prophetic truth concerning the time that lies ahead and in the guard of a younger man who speaks into its meaning and find the serpents that bite the horses heals to un seat the rider?

Examine yourself before you fall too far.

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